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Republican_Man
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 Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:33 pm Re-Elect G.W. Bush!--2004 Elections Debate |
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Here's some things I'm pulling that I agree with from my message boards, www.republicanmanboards.cjb.net:
[quote="B'Ellanna_Torrez] He's easily swayed. He votes with no idea why, he hasn't an original thought in his head ((*points to signature*)). He can be bought. He's an idiot, and as kmma said somewhere around here, a wimp. The war would go down the drains if he gets into office. He shows no interesting values to me, nor does he make many good points...or any, that I've seen. All I've seen so far is Bush-bashing, and very little about plans to fix things. I don't know, maybe I'm watching C-SPAN at the wrong time, but this is what I've seen. He bothers me. He reminds me of Clinton in too many ways, which is a BAD thing. I'm not sure who would've been a worse choice, Dean or Kerry. At least Dean was somewhat congenial in an oily salesman-like way. Kerry's a big turn-off to me just as who he is, and that's not even adding his shady-looking voting records. Plus, Bush is, like kmma said, for Christian values, which means a lot to me. I don't like this liberal leaniency, but that's personnal preference.
The American people are intelligent, and I'm pretty sure they'll see in the next few months what a horrid president Kerry would be.[/quote]
(I hope you don't mind, B'Ellanna.
| Republican_Man wrote: | agree with EVERYTHING said there...Plus, John Kerry voted 250 times, 250 times for HIGHER gas taxes in one way or another...He's wanted to raise taxes and is on the WRONG side of defense. Let's look at his record:
-John Kerry served HONORABLY in Vietnam
-John Kerry voted against, to cut, or for the cancelation of:
=:F-15, F-16, Apache Helicopter, Stealth Bomber
-He voted for a NUCLEAR FREEZE during the Cold War, of which we would then have lost instead of won...
-He is on the WRONG side of defense...
-Plus he's been in office long enough to flip-flop on just about EVERY issue! |
What do you all think?
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:15 pm |
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I'll just begin with this.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/08/29/column.billpress/
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:27 pm |
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I'm not going to bother clicking just links. And I doubt others will bother, either. Copying and pasting the pertinent info may be a better idea.
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tomparis
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:28 pm |
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Tell me something, what would Kerry have done if he were the president during 9/11?
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:29 pm |
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I voted for Kerry
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Theresa
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | I voted for Kerry |
So? This is a debate. Debate.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 10:59 pm |
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Won't you ever learn how biased the media is, Mr. Link... Especially CNN, no less...
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Theresa
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Sheesh, we can thank CNN for 9/11. First try in taking down the WTC doesn't work, let's interview the people who built it, and have them show us how to take them down. 
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| Quote: | | Jeff Miller in 'Talk about no understanding' wrote: | | Ok you say he liberated people from a ruthless dictator? yea and look at the fallout we are losing atleast one ONE solider a day. Because of Bush we are now the most hated nation in the world. Because of Bush and his lack of paying attention to his people my town is now basically nothing but a run down city because no one can get jobs. Bush should be worrying more about his people in the US than what some idiot thinks about us 1,000 miles away. Plus where is the lower gas prices? I think imo that Bush is responsible for the freaking high gas prices. I think that we could get a chimp to do a better job than bush and it would cost less but than the last comments are my opinion. |
First off, people are going to die, but that does NOT mean we didn't liberate a people. There are people that don't want freedom and democracy in the world.
2nd, the media SPINS things. We are NOT the most "hated" country in the world--that's just by many Middle Eastern Countries and France and a few others...You can't judge that based on a FEW countries...
3rd, the main reason that we went to Iraq WAS for the WMDs, we just happened to Liberate a country on the way, which is GREAT because now the terrorists are upset--that's why so many people are dieing, Jeff!
4th, we HAVE to stay in Iraq--to leave would be to give into the terrorists
5th, it is NOT Bush's fault that the economy is that bad--let's look at the past:
-Bush inherited recession from Clinton
-Dot Com bubble burst
-SEPTEMBER 11th happened, and the economy still hasn't fully recovered from THEAT
-Inflation is now at an all-time low for the past 6 years or so
-THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHT THOUSAND NEW JOBS WERE ADDED IN MARCH ALONE!, PLUS SOMETHING, I FORGET WHAT, THAT MADE IT SLIGHTLY OVER 400,000 NEW JOBS...Your town just might not be that good--your town and a few others around the country... |
That's some stuff about Bush...
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Arellia
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:31 pm |
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As one could probably note from what I stated on Kerry, I'm definitely for Bush, and would vote for him...if...I could... 
But just as far as why Bush...the war, of course, and over Kerry, he's very honest to me. Very *real.* His intentions are always good, in my opinion, and he has the benefeit of the country in mind. He might make some choices some do not like, but I believe he has the good of America at heart. Well, maybe Kerry does, too, but Bush does what he truly believes is right, and from the quote of mine RM posted, as I stated, I think he does what he believes *looks good.*
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:34 pm |
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ok since RM didn't want to talk in one topic he said bring it over to this one so I am.
| Jeff Miller wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | First off, people are going to die, but that does NOT mean we didn't liberate a people. There are people that don't want freedom and democracy in the world. |
Granted people are going to die but he should have been more carefull about when he announced that all major battles were over. From what I'm seeing he's dead wrong.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 2nd, the media SPINS things. We are NOT the most "hated" country in the world--that's just by many Middle Eastern Countries and France and a few others...You can't judge that based on a FEW countries... |
no one wants to help us that alone tells me how hated we are I don't know where you been lately. but when someone doesn't want to help us thats not because they are being friendly thats because they hate us.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 3rd, the main reason that we went to Iraq WAS for the WMDs, we just happened to Liberate a country on the way, which is GREAT because now the terrorists are upset--that's why so many people are dieing, Jeff! |
Oh yes those evil and deadly WMD's where are they? the only junk the inspectors found was some small parts that could be for anything, anything from a door knob to a deep fryer the WMD's is the biggest pack of lies about the war.
| Republican_Man wrote: | | 4th, we HAVE to stay in Iraq--to leave would be to give into the terrorists |
True won't fight you with you on that but we needed more info before we went in.
| Republican_Man wrote: | 5th, it is NOT Bush's fault that the economy is that bad--let's look at the past:
-Bush inherited recession from Clinton
-Dot Com bubble burst
-SEPTEMBER 11th happened, and the economy still hasn't fully recovered from THEAT
-Inflation is now at an all-time low for the past 6 years or so
-THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHT THOUSAND NEW JOBS WERE ADDED IN MARCH ALONE!, PLUS SOMETHING, I FORGET WHAT, THAT MADE IT SLIGHTLY OVER 400,000 NEW JOBS...Your town just might not be that good--your town and a few others around the country... |
Yea ok Clinton did some wrong things..... won't say what but the economy isn't his fault my town was packed with business untill Bush gave those checks away back in 2000 if I remember right. You remember those checks don't you? those were the checks that were sposed to jump start the economy all they did was drive this country into the poor house imo. |
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:40 pm |
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Republican_Man wrote:
First off, people are going to die, but that does NOT mean we didn't liberate a people. There are people that don't want freedom and democracy in the world.
Granted people are going to die but he should have been more carefull about when he announced that all major battles were over. From what I'm seeing he's dead wrong.
Here's a way to put it: [quote="Theresa"] | Quote: | You mean that $200.00 check? That was my money to begin with? Yeah, I'm sure that's driving us into a massive depression.
Coalition. New word for you. There cannot be a coalition w/ only one country in it...
The major battles are over. Please, learn your history. Being informed really helps.
WMD's. *sigh* So not going there. There is proof they were there. There is proof they've been transported elsewhere and also proof that some were torn down. Links I've posted before, and you can go find them if you like, they are somewhere here in WN.
What kind of info did we need? What more? More civilians dead? Pffft. Saddam is gone. His regime has crumbled. The terrorists are dying daily. Good things. |
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2nd, the media SPINS things. We are NOT the most "hated" country in the world--that's just by many Middle Eastern Countries and France and a few others...You can't judge that based on a FEW countries...
no one wants to help us that alone tells me how hated we are I don't know where you been lately. but when someone doesn't want to help us thats not because they are being friendly thats because they hate us.
Now THAT is a common misconception...Tell that to the MORE THAN 28 countries in our COALITION. You've been watching WAY too much CNN, Jeff.
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3rd, the main reason that we went to Iraq WAS for the WMDs, we just happened to Liberate a country on the way, which is GREAT because now the terrorists are upset--that's why so many people are dieing, Jeff!
Oh yes those evil and deadly WMD's where are they? the only junk the inspectors found was some small parts that could be for anything, anything from a door knob to a deep fryer the WMD's is the biggest pack of lies about the war.
I have no facts to back it up as of now, but I think they shipped them off to Syria. Just a theory, but...And it was not a "LIE!" PRESIDENT BUSH, LIKE MOST OF CONGRESS AND BILL CLINTON AND JOHN KERRY AND HILLARY CLINTON AND TED KENNEDY AND MANY OTHERS, INCLUDING THE BRITISH, SAW THAT INTELLIGENCE POINTED TO WMDs, HENCE G.W. BUSH DID NOT "LIE." We just DIDN'T find the WMDs yet. I'm sure they're there, but I'm tired of this "Bush lied" crap--it's just simply IRRISPONSABLE (I know I spelt that wrong) Plus Ricen was found there, which COULD be used as a WMD, and they've found other evidence that pointed to it having been there...
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4th, we HAVE to stay in Iraq--to leave would be to give into the terrorists
True won't fight you with you on that but we needed more info before we went in.
We had to ACT. We had NO choice, but that is your opinion, so...And 9/11 told us that we had to act PREEMPTIVELY to threats, btw.
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5th, it is NOT Bush's fault that the economy is that bad--let's look at the past:
-Bush inherited recession from Clinton
-Dot Com bubble burst
-SEPTEMBER 11th happened, and the economy still hasn't fully recovered from THEAT
-Inflation is now at an all-time low for the past 6 years or so
-THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHT THOUSAND NEW JOBS WERE ADDED IN MARCH ALONE!, PLUS SOMETHING, I FORGET WHAT, THAT MADE IT SLIGHTLY OVER 400,000 NEW JOBS...Your town just might not be that good--your town and a few others around the country...
Yea ok Clinton did some wrong things..... won't say what but the economy isn't his fault my town was packed with business untill Bush gave those checks away back in 2000 if I remember right. You remember those checks don't you? those were the checks that were sposed to jump start the economy all they did was drive this country into the poor house imo.
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Theresa
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Tsssss, fine, moved my reply, too.
| Quote: | 26 Apr 2004 23:36
You mean that $200.00 check? That was my money to begin with? Yeah, I'm sure that's driving us into a massive depression.
Coalition. New word for you. There cannot be a coalition w/ only one country in it...
The major battles are over. Please, learn your history. Being informed really helps.
WMD's. *sigh* So not going there. There is proof they were there. There is proof they've been transported elsewhere and also proof that some were torn down. Links I've posted before, and you can go find them if you like, they are somewhere here in WN.
What kind of info did we need? What more? More civilians dead? Pffft. Saddam is gone. His regime has crumbled. The terrorists are dying daily. Good things. |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Now THAT is a common misconception...Tell that to the MORE THAN 28 countries in our COALITION. You've been watching WAY too much CNN, Jeff. |
Actually I don't get CNN on my satalite the only news station I get is MSNBC.  anyway this has been fun but I am all debated out.
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Republican_Man
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Okay, well, MSNBC may not be as Liberal as CNN persay, but it's still very Liberal. (So it has Scarborough, BIG woop!)
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aww, RM, I do believe at one point in time you said CNN was a respected News source. Changing your tune?
Instead of just posting all the facts, I'm late for class, I'll post the whole article. Not that many people are going to read it anyway. oh yeah, Look at the date.
| Quote: | Bill Press: Bush leads U.S. from A-OK to IOU
August 29, 2001 Posted: 4:23 PM EDT (2023 GMT)
By Bill Press, Tribune Media Services
WASHINGTON (Tribune Media Services) -- Which would you rather have, a president who lies about sex, or a president who lies about the budget?
We know Bill Clinton lied about his personal sex life. He said he didn't have an affair with Monica Lewinsky when in fact he did, sort of. At the time, that was considered the worst thing any president could do. Americans were shocked. He was even impeached for it.
And now we know George Bush is lying about the budget. And that�s pretty shocking, too.
The big Bush budget lie was unveiled this week by the Congressional Budget Office. Let�s stop there for a moment. There are two sources for budget information: the White House and the CBO. In any administration, one is partisan, the other is non-partisan. One cooks the books, the other reports the facts. No matter who is president, I'll trust the CBO over the White House. You should, too.
According to the CBO, the mighty U.S. surplus -- on which Bush�s across-the-board tax cut was based -- has melted quickly and dramatically, from a projected $275 billion in May to $153 billion today. That�s a loss of $122 billion in expected revenue in just 4 months.
Only one-third of that reduction, says the CBO, is due to the ongoing economic slowdown, but two-thirds of it disappeared in the Bush tax cut.
Making matters worse, almost every penny of that still-intact $153 billion isn�t really a government surplus, at all. It�s extra money collected by Social Security taxes. It�s that famous �lockbox� -- which every Republican and Democrat has promised never to steal from again, under pain of death, because it belongs to seniors and should not be tapped to pay for fixing potholes or paying government salaries.
But this year, the White House and the Congress will be forced to raid the lockbox. Just paying for current government obligations -- no new spending -- will require taking $9 billion from the Social Security surplus in the current fiscal year, $18 billion in 2003, and another $3 billion in 2004.
Dancing to explain how he managed to lead the country from A-OK to IOU in just 4 months, President Bush has come up with two answers, neither of them convincing. First, he blames the Congress for big spending. This is absolute nonsense. The only new money in the budget this year is for education and defense, both of which Bush asked for himself, and neither of which has yet been approved.
Next, Bush does what all Republicans do whenever there�s bad news. He blames Bill Clinton, arguing that Clinton�s policies caused the economy to decline, but that it will bounce back, as soon as the tax cut kicks in. Wrong again.
The eight Clinton years were a time of unprecedented economic growth, at the end of which came a natural slowdown.
But there�s no sign the Bush tax cut has re-stimulated the economy at all, so far. And, again, according to the CBO, the worst is yet to come, because the Bush tax cut grows over time, requiring even more money to be stolen from Social Security in the years ahead.
Which is just what George Bush promised never to do. As a candidate, he insisted there was enough money to cut taxes, increase military spending and pay for prescription drug benefits without dipping into the Social Security surplus. As president, he vowed he would never, never touch the Social Security surplus. He�s lucky his nose didn't grow.
The truth is, Bush has nobody to blame but himself. On a macro level, he made the same stupid mistake everyone of us, on the micro level, has learned to avoid. He spent money he didn't have. Worse yet, he gave away money the government didn't have. He pushed a tax cut through Congress without knowing how much money was in the bank. He squandered the surplus on an irresponsible tax cut. And now he has no choice but to steal from Social Security or go back to the days of deficit spending.
Which would you rather have, a president who lies about sex, or a president who lies about the budget? Frankly, I'd rather have a president who lies about nothing. But lying about the budget is a lot more serious than lying about sex, because it hurts a lot more people. Impeachment hearings, anyone? |
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John Kerry would not make a good President. He can not even make his mind on things and he is constantly lying through his teeth. I can not trust him or would trust my life in his hands.
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| kmma wrote: | | John Kerry would not make a good President. He can not even make his mind on things and he is constantly lying through his teeth. I can not trust him or would trust my life in his hands. |
What did he lie about?
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Ok....I am gonna kind of chage the subject, yall can go back to it later, but look at the cover of this book John Kerry wrote after he got back from Vietnam, it is absolutly disgusting. If I had nothing elses against John Kerry(but trust me I do) this book would be the sole basis of my descion to vote against him.
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Everything, Every word that comes out of Kerry's mouth is a lie. Can not trust a democrat period. I would not trust my life in Kerry's.
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| Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:12 am |
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so your being biased? I take it you wouldn't mind than if I said I didn't trust bush with my life that everything he says is a lie and to top it off hes a god awfull republican? oh and you can't trust those evil, evil republicans
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*raises eyebrow*
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| Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:18 am |
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So we can say the same thing about u democrats that u are evil.
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | so your being biased? I take it you wouldn't mind than if I said I didn't trust bush with my life that everything he says is a lie and to top it off hes a god awfull republican? oh and you can't trust those evil, evil republicans |
If there are people on here who won't consider another person's views simply because of their party, excuse me, but I think that's rather insane. I'm Republican, yes, I support the the party and stay on the right side of the line; I agree with Republican ideals. And no, I don't agree with most democrats because, frankly, the ideals are just different. BUT. If there was a democrat who I believed was reputable and who I believed to have good values, there's the slightest chance I'd be on his/her side. Chances are just slim. Very slim. But I don't rule it out when I listen to a democrat in a speech, at a debate, etc.
I don't like Kerry, I've said that. But not just because he's of the opposite party. I don't like his positions on issues, I don't like the way he's running his campaign on almost little else but Bush bashing, and quite frankly, I'm not too fond of him as a person. I can't call him a liar yet, because I don't have any evidence. I'll look for some when I have time, but I won't argue something I can't back up.
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| B'Ellanna_Torrez wrote: | | I don't like Kerry, I've said that. But not just because he's of the opposite party. I don't like his positions on issues, I don't like the way he's running his campaign on almost little else but Bush bashing |
What do you think Bush does? He bashes just as much as Kerry does thats what the purpose of these commericals is its to make the other person look as crapy as they possibly can.
Oh and Kmma I am evil very evil j/k *tries to give the evil eye but fails.*
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