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Captain.Dan
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 Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:36 pm Space and nothing |
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OK u'll have to use your imagination if some one cut out all atoms and everything can someone try and help me imagine what would be there there'd be not light or dark no colors yet no darkness etc etc any ideas
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m021
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| Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:33 pm Re: Space and nothing |
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| Captain.Dan wrote: | | there'd be not light or dark no colors |
Nothing = space = vacuum. Light CAN move through vacuum. So there would be light/colours/etc.
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Puck
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| Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:30 am |
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so basically, what your saying is to imagine what nothing looks like? (that was a serious question....i know it sounds kinda sarcastic)
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Oliver
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| Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:26 am |
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^^Well, light only passes through space so you wouldn't actually see light in a vacuum. You only 'see' colors when light hits an object and reflects onto your eyes.
I'm wondering what the temperature in a total vacuum would be? Or is it undefined?
As for what nothingness would feel like I think the best way to answer that is: like nothing!
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Captain.Dan
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| Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:06 am |
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Its hard to imagine thanks for ur help so far
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Puck
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| Sun Apr 25, 2004 11:00 am |
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| Oliver wrote: |
I'm wondering what the temperature in a total vacuum would be? Or is it undefined?
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There really wouldn't be a "temperature" in a complete vacuum, with no light, or matter, it would be absolute zero. However, humans will never know absolute zero, because it is impossible too.
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Captain.Dan
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| Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:08 pm |
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Your right but try and imagine it would be everything mixed with nothing all the colors and all he light in total darkness and no colors
However it isn't accurate to say humans will never know it might some how be possible in about 200 million years we may figure out a way although I doubt it highly
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Puck
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| Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:19 pm |
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but its impossible, whereever there is a single atom, there is a small degree of heat being released, so humans could never feel absolute zero, and sensors could never read it, because it is truly the absense of anything, and if it were to be probed...the probe would create some amount of heat.'
idk if that makes any sense, but i tryed 
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webtaz99
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| Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:29 pm |
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"Nothing" would have no temperature, only matter can have temp.
Even though absolute zero is impossible, researchers have already achieved less than 7 nanoKelvins (billionths of a degree).
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Captain.Dan
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| Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:46 pm |
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it did make sense
I just love trying to imagine it you think u have an Idae then you think of y its wrong its a totally mystery
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Puck
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| Sun Apr 25, 2004 7:13 pm |
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same here....I think about time travel stuff sometimes, and then I realize that couldnt be possible bc/ of something else...but then again perhaps it could be considering......
and i just fry my brain and give up
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Captain.Dan
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:46 pm |
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LOL It all fasanates me I love it (I have no life)
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Oliver
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| Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:55 am |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Oliver wrote: | | I'm wondering what the temperature in a total vacuum would be? Or is it undefined? |
There really wouldn't be a "temperature" in a complete vacuum, ... it would be absolute zero... |
You're saying there would be no temperature and then you say it would be absolute zero. Well, absolute zero is a temperature. I belive it's -273.15... degrees Celcius or 0 degrees Kelvin.
| webtaz99 wrote: | | "Nothing" would have no temperature, only matter can have temp. |
So what you're saying is that any object, placed in a complete vacuum, will always maintain it's temperature; no matter what it is (10000�K or 1�K). It can never give off any heat as there are no molecules to interact with. Is this correct?
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Puck
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| Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:45 am |
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Absolute zero is the absence of any heat, so isn't it the absence of temperature?
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Oliver
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| Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:59 am |
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^No it's not. Absolute zero is -273.15... degress Celcius or 0 degree Kelvin. It is a temperature; a very cold one for the matter.
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EnsignParis
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| Tue Apr 27, 2004 2:45 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Absolute zero is the absence of any heat, so isn't it the absence of temperature? |
Heat and temperature are two different things.
Heat is the total energy of an object.
Temperature is the average energy being released from an object.
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Oliver
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| Sun May 02, 2004 3:22 am |
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| Oliver wrote: | | webtaz99 wrote: | | "Nothing" would have no temperature, only matter can have temp. |
So what you're saying is that any object, placed in a complete vacuum, will always maintain it's temperature; no matter what it is (10000�K or 1�K). It can never give off any heat as there are no molecules to interact with. Is this correct? |
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webtaz99
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| Mon May 03, 2004 3:48 pm |
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| Oliver wrote: | | Oliver wrote: | | webtaz99 wrote: | | "Nothing" would have no temperature, only matter can have temp. |
So what you're saying is that any object, placed in a complete vacuum, will always maintain it's temperature; no matter what it is (10000�K or 1�K). It can never give off any heat as there are no molecules to interact with. Is this correct? |
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No. An object can radiate heat into a vacuum or shed particles to cool off. Remember that all things try to reach a minimum energy state.
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Oliver
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| Tue May 04, 2004 2:16 am |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | An object can radiate heat into a vacuum or shed particles to cool off. Remember that all things try to reach a minimum energy state. |
So any object, with any given temperature, will eventually reach 0�K if you give it enough time (placed in a complete vacuum)???
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EnsignParis
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| Tue May 04, 2004 3:35 pm |
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The way something cools off behaves in an asymptotic way, meaning that it will forever get closer to 0 K, but never reach it.
At least that's what I think I remember from chemistry.
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