Abortion

Paul Marshall · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:02 pm Abortion**

Personally, I think it is TOTALLY wrong. Some people may have different questions like, "How exactly someone can tell if a fetus is a fetus (if it is living)?" or "Should a new forming baby inside a mother's womb have the same rights as it does after it is born? Well, MY answer to the first question is it doesn't matter whether it is considered alive or not, the point is that SOMETHING was definately conceived and there is definately SOMETHING inside of the Mother. So it should be considered because of the fact of the fetus' (object, whatever you want to call it) existance. My answer to the second question is YES, the fetus SHOULD have the same rights as any that is already born simply because of the fact that a human is being created and will eventually (if not aborted) be born.

Josi Rockholt · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:19 pm**

I think it's wrong unless it's a medical condition and it would die secongs after being born. One reason I find it wrong is that you can't get an abortion before your about 3 or 4 months, which means the baby is living and almost fully developed. people get the death penalty or life in prison for murder. What makes this so different? It's still murder, just of something that's inside someone else.

Paul Marshall · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:21 pm**

Partial-Birth abortion makes me sick.

Josi Rockholt · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:26 pm**

As it does me too.

Oliver · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:12 pm**

This is indeed a tough question. I don't agree with the arguments used here.

Josi Rockholt · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:22 pm**

You have a good argument there. A woman becoming unwillingly pregant is a good argument, but I would say, put it up for adoption then. As for the quote you used from me and your responce to it. Let me rephrase. People are put to death or get life in prison for murdering other human beings,so what makes abortion any different. It's still killing another person. Oh, and not everyone kill insects. I don't.

Captain Dappet · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:24 pm**

I agree with Oliver completely on this one.

Josi Rockholt · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:28 pm**

Do you believe that abortion is right all the time,though? I don't even think it's wrong 100% of the time,just when there's no medical reason to have an abortion.

Oliver · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:51 pm**

Leo Wyatt · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:03 pm**

I know I said I wont post in chit chat but I behave,

In my opinion Abortions is wrong no matter what the situation. If a girl gets raped then she could always put the baby up for an adoption. Cause there are alot of couples who can not have a baby of their own and want a child.

I don't know about medical reasons. I was high risk pregnancy with all three of my kids but I pulled through and my kids did too thank goodness.
Oh It was just an opinion ok not trying to force. If I am let me know.
Ok thats all I'm saying. TTYL later.

Josi Rockholt · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:05 pm**

IntrepidIsMe · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:16 pm**

Abortion is completely wrong. If you had sex willingfully and then get pregnant, that's your problem, you should have thought. I really think they should have the baby and put it up for adoption, the same goes for rape, there is no law saying you HAVE to keep the baby.
If a mother or the child will definitely die before birth, or after, than that's something different.

jonathan95 · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:31 pm**

well this is a topic I can talk about I am a father to a 4 month old baby girl called samantha I am only 19 I live in Briton, my partner is 17 when we first learnt of our baby we considered abortion cas we are so young and we thought we might not be able to look after the baby give it a good life we are barly managing at the time when it was just me and her now that we have the baby its even harder.

we only thought an abortion would be a good thing as we are so young and we are living very hard at the time we at the time couldnt give that baby a good life.

but we didnt go through with it but I beleave that abortion isnt wrong as long as it is done for a very good reason like a 13 year old who has no faily support and has had a very bad life isnt realy fit to be a mother and there pregnancy was accident (used protection but it failed) type of thing I dont beleave in it when it is done because it would spoil your carrer or it it would stop your fun life dont agree the main bits like for us it might have been a good idea, at the time for us not to have the child, my partner had depression I was prity ill with afew things. but we went through cas we wanted to and danni felt that she couldnt kill the baby after all, but we were all prepared to do it.

the thing is we can sit her and say yes its right no its wrong on all accounts but you will never realy know till you have been put into that positions your self.

Leiutenant-Sones · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:51 pm**

Abortion is quite a tricky topic to talk about as there can be mainly different things to take into consideration when talking about it. For many young girls if they where to use protection and it was to fail for whatever reason I think a girl should be entitled to a abortion. Yes I know you might argue she could put it up for Adoption as there are many happy families looking to adopt. But the problem with this is that some of the requirements needed in order to adopt are just to hard for many families to meet which means that there are enough children just to much stuck in admin.

For instance if a woman was to become raped wouldn�t you think it would be traumatic enough for her to get raped in the first place? Let alone having to go through the experience of giving birth to her rapists baby and than when she does finally put it up for adoption. When the baby grows up and than searches for his or her birth parents don�t you agree that it would be extremely traumatic to both parties? A)For the mother having to relive the experience and open old wounds and B)For the child to find out that he/she was brought into the world by a vicious attack?

Also a lot of other things can be taken into consideration. Lets say there is this girl we will call her Lizzi. Lizzi is 15 and lives with her mother and father. It might sound like a perfect set up but it turns out her father has abused her since the age of 5 and her mother is a alcoholic and they live on a rough council estate and don�t have much money. She falls for a guy that lives near her, one thing leads to another and she has sex with him. They decided to be safe and used protection but unknown to them it turns out it actually broke and now Lizzi is pregnant. Well Lizzi is now stuck with a dilemma she has to either get a abortion or give birth to it. But the only problem is Lizzi has a lot of things running in her family and when she goes to the doctor to find out her options she finds out that this baby is going to be handicapped for the rest of his/her life and if she was to put it up for adoption nobody would really want it and the child would probably spend the rest of its life being passed from foster home to foster home because he/she needs to go hospital regularly. What do you think would be fairer on the mother and the child? Abortion or the other option?

But on the other hand I do agree that for some women it is far to easy for them to get a abortion. A colleague my mum worked with many years back who we will just call Judy was forever getting pregnant than getting abortions. She used it as a form of sick contraception in itself. I think that abortion in these sort of circumstances is extremely sick and there should be a serious crack down on.

This I hope proves that I do believe in Abortion in some cases but I also think at the same time that abortion should be harder to get by women. It is wrong to be misused but at the same time it is wrong for a woman or child to suffer a long agonising life because of the trauma of birth.

Paul Marshall · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:59 pm**

jonathan95 · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:05 pm**

no thats not realy fair cas what happens if you didnt know till its too late, and why cannot the man take some responsiblity for the actions as well.

its not a one way thing it takes two to tango

Leiutenant-Sones · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:10 pm**

Ah yes but you are all to easily dismissing the fathers roll in it. As the saying goes it takes two to tango right? So that means that the father should play a part in the decision as well. Guys can be very manipulative I should know I have been manipulated far to many times to count. But I've always put my foot down eventually. Some girls might have been manipulated, anyone who has been manipulated in their life how hard it is to put your foot down. So one might argue that at the hands of a manipulator a person would do anything to please them? And/or believe many of these ''old womens'' stories that so many have heard. Especially if the person in question was in their teens and was in attendance of a school that had no real sex ed program in place?

Paul Marshall · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:12 pm**

jonathan95 · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:16 pm**

its an = part the woman agresses to it yes but its = cas you cannot created a baby with out both parties working as one, the choice and blame doesnt reside on one person mother are father condoms arnt 100% the only 100% thing is not to do it.

but sex isnt the topic its the choices made after the finding of the creation of a ...... (to many combos to write)
btw what about rape

Melodramatic · Rear Admiral Joined: 04 Feb 2003 Posts: 4577

I can't place my vote in either options. All I can say is it depends on why a woman would do this.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Abortion is murder of another human being. It is that plain, and that simple. Thus, not only is it immorally wrong, but it should be considered a crime. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Someone said....well we kill alot of animals hunting and stuff....isn't that murder. Maybe, but this implies that you are saying that an animals life is equal to the value of human life, which it is not. Unless it could cause a death in the pregnancy, or was a result of rape (even this I consider to still be wrong) then no, no abortion. If the mother and father were dumb enough to screw around without any kind of protection then too bad, they should have thought of the consequences before hand. However, more counseling and help should be offered to those who do not want a child, and who have had abortion. In the end though, abortion is wrong, if you cant see that, then I am sorry for you.

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I know that the father also plays a role in it, but I don't see how that makes a differnece in whether it is right or wrong. The mother, and/or father, do not have the right to decide if another life should continue or be extinguished.

Mikado · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:09 pm**

If a woman is raped and then forced to put the child up for adoption, I find that completely wrong.

Think about that child, not just the instance of it's birth. But it's life when it grows up and finds out it's been adopted. And then goes to look for its parents. And then finds out it's the product of a rape. Would you like to know that your father raped your mother and that's what created you?

As for a woman having a say to what goes into her body, rape victims don't. And it's a little more complicated then that. You can be screaming emotional, "NO!" But still not have a person stop because your body is giving them signs that your ready.

My thoughts are, it's a woman's right to choose. No, I think someone who went out and just had sex should do it. But it's still her right, and if you take it away from her. What about all the woman who are addicted to crack, or herione. Who are hookers or just addicts, and get pregnant?

Do you have any idea what that baby will go through if it's born? It will be born addicted to the substance its mother was using while pregnant. And don't say, "well she can stop while she's in term." Because she won't, because she's addicted. Most crack babies don't have a future, and there's nothing they can do about it.

I don't think, babies like that should be born. It's inhuman to make.

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

Abortion is taking another humans life, the parents do not have the right to decide if another lives or dies. Rape situations should be taken into consideration, I agree, but abortion otherwise is WRONG!

Mikado · **Thu Apr 22, 2004 5:27 pm**

What about the crack babies? Should they be forced into a life that will only be misery, and health problems?

Puck · The Texan Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 5596

I dont know and I am glad I will never have to make that decision, that is why these extreme cases should be taken into careful consideration, by a counsel perhaps, but in this case, the mother and father obviously aren't smart, so that is why I suggest the idea of some kind of counsel, or board to make these extreme decisions.