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T. Dean
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Bush a neoliberal Conservative elitist who thinks that by defying the laws of economics (you don't cut taxes when the government has a deficit) he'll somehow improve the economy instead of bringing about a "jobless recovery." We may have added more jobs in four years but in that four years we've lost more jobs than under any President except Hoover during the Depression.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Mon Apr 05, 2004 3:53 am |
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| Theresa wrote: | | Oh bull. Learn how administrations work. The economical boost in Clintons first 2 years had nothing to do with Clinton, and everything to do with Bush Sr. Amendment proposed Monday, enacted Tuesday, effects felt Wednesday... does not work that way. Especially with politicians. It takes years. So yes, we did go to war under Bush, but he's not to blame for the state of the economy. If anything, war always boost an economy. (which, btw, if you've been paying attention, the job rate has gone up.) |
First off that's like comparing apples and oranges. We're not talking about Bush's first 2 years. The Economy has gone down in his last 2 years due to his constant stupidity and military spending.
whats the old saying.. something like: "if you dont want to seem stupid, surround yourself with smart people and let them do all the talking."
sounds like Bush to me.
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Theresa
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| Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:27 pm |
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Good job ignoring the last line, 
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:38 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | and yet who's the president who has spent more and more when he knows we dont have it. A president who's basically almost destroyed our economy. |
Okay, he DIDN'T destroy our economy! Look now, 308,000 new jobs were added in MARCH ALONE and some other jobs were added (I'm confused on how it is, but my dad said something that the media HASN'T said) making the total over 4,000 jobs created!
Here's how Tax Cuts HELP the economy, INCLUDING (especially) those to the "rich" (those who make over $200,000): More money comes into peoples' pockets, then people spend that money on food and dining, cars, ect, and who gets paid more? The cooks, the waiters, the car makers and designers, ect. Seriously people, tax cuts are NEEDED, and there are OTHER ways to stop a deficit that getting rid of tax cuts.[/b]
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:20 pm |
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For Bush.
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jbering69
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| Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:00 am |
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Against Bush. By the way, war does stimulate an economy in the short run. However in the long run it is more detrimental.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Sat Apr 10, 2004 1:59 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: |
Okay, he DIDN'T destroy our economy! Look now, 308,000 new jobs were added in MARCH ALONE and some other jobs were added (I'm confused on how it is, but my dad said something that the media HASN'T said) making the total over 4,000 jobs created!
Here's how Tax Cuts HELP the economy, INCLUDING (especially) those to the "rich" (those who make over $200,000): More money comes into peoples' pockets, then people spend that money on food and dining, cars, ect, and who gets paid more? The cooks, the waiters, the car makers and designers, ect. Seriously people, tax cuts are NEEDED, and there are OTHER ways to stop a deficit that getting rid of tax cuts.[/b] |
Normally I would have gotten back to arguing the point earlier, but College seems to be getting more expensive, so I have to work.
Tax Cuts are not something you do when you're in the middle of a war, Especially tax cuts for the rich. Do you know what people like Bill Gates and Donald Trump do with their money? THE HOARD IT! They dont go out and spend it. Where the he*l did you pick that up from? It's a proven Historical fact that Tax Cuts are a last resort to bolster a failing economy.
basically, the fact is Bush is spending money he doesn't have. He's dragging the country down into another large deficit. Over the past few years the value of the Dollar has dropped. and thats just a small example. Want another, Inflation of prices. Not gas, thats something totally different.
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Republican_Man
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| Sat Apr 17, 2004 1:09 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: |
Okay, he DIDN'T destroy our economy! Look now, 308,000 new jobs were added in MARCH ALONE and some other jobs were added (I'm confused on how it is, but my dad said something that the media HASN'T said) making the total over 4,000 jobs created!
Here's how Tax Cuts HELP the economy, INCLUDING (especially) those to the "rich" (those who make over $200,000): More money comes into peoples' pockets, then people spend that money on food and dining, cars, ect, and who gets paid more? The cooks, the waiters, the car makers and designers, ect. Seriously people, tax cuts are NEEDED, and there are OTHER ways to stop a deficit that getting rid of tax cuts.[/b] |
Normally I would have gotten back to arguing the point earlier, but College seems to be getting more expensive, so I have to work.
Tax Cuts are not something you do when you're in the middle of a war, Especially tax cuts for the rich. Do you know what people like Bill Gates and Donald Trump do with their money? THE HOARD IT! They dont go out and spend it. Where the he*l did you pick that up from? It's a proven Historical fact that Tax Cuts are a last resort to bolster a failing economy.
basically, the fact is Bush is spending money he doesn't have. He's dragging the country down into another large deficit. Over the past few years the value of the Dollar has dropped. and thats just a small example. Want another, Inflation of prices. Not gas, thats something totally different. |
Okay, don't get me wrong. I DON'T like his spending and the deficit, but as I say, they DO stimulate the economy moreso (tax cuts) as MOST people who have more money that are in the upper-middle class and the so-called "rich" DO spend more money. And inflation has recently been at an all-time low for the past few years. (I don't mean, however, that FOR the past few years inflation has been at an all-time low, just recently it has)
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jbering69
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| Mon Apr 19, 2004 12:11 am |
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Sorry, friend but Link's on the ticket, tax cuts are not the answer here. And especially to the rich. The rich don't need to spend more money because they already have not only what they need but near everything they want. A tax cut only means their pay cheque and bank account are fatter.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:07 pm |
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| jbering69 wrote: | | Sorry, friend but Link's on the ticket, tax cuts are not the answer here. And especially to the rich. The rich don't need to spend more money because they already have not only what they need but near everything they want. A tax cut only means their pay cheque and bank account are fatter. |
That is true, but then they spend more money. It's a circle.
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Puck
The Texan
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| Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:00 pm |
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On a Fox Poll, Bush was up against Kerry 48 to 43 points!!!! Yaay!!! 
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Apr 20, 2004 4:56 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | On a Fox Poll, Bush was up against Kerry 48 to 43 points!!!! Yaay!!! |
That's a good sign that the American people are seeing through Kerry's lies and misleadings.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Tue Apr 20, 2004 11:21 pm |
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Sorry, but you cant go by the poll.
Unless it's a controlled survey of an area, which it's not, It cannot be used to prove any point.
and RM, Kerry's lies and misleadings huh. You support a President who:
A: Can't speak properly, the coined term now is Bushonics.
B: Has started a War he cannot win. Yes that is correct, he cannot win a war against Terrorism, because there will always be people that believe different things and will do Radical things to get what they want. Religious Fanatics for an example.
C: Is STILL spending money that the US doesn't have.
D: Gave a tax cut to the rich. That money now goes into another Swiss Bank account, or any other out of country bank. It does not come back to be spent in any US store.
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Puck
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| Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:37 am |
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| Quote: | A: Can't speak properly, the coined term now is Bushonics.
B: Has started a War he cannot win. Yes that is correct, he cannot win a war against Terrorism, because there will always be people that believe different things and will do Radical things to get what they want. Religious Fanatics for an example.
C: Is STILL spending money that the US doesn't have.
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A: I disregard as something that you had to grab for to make it look like you had more supporting evidence than you did.
B: Would you prefer that we did not go to war, and did not even make an attempt to at the least cripple Al-Queada and other terrorist organizations.
C: Alot of presidents have done this, the US has only ever been out of debt twice if I am correct.
D: Be that as it may, the tax cuts helped my family and we are not rich. Plus the econemy is getting better, all the indicators show it.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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A: I didn't have to grab at anything, It's right in front of your face, you just choose not to see it.
B: It's not that I dont support the war, It's How many have to die before He can see it's like another Korean war.
C: Yes, but those President's didn't Continually spend, Only one did to bring the US out of A depression and "Dubya" is no FDR
D: Re-read what I said. did I ever bash the tax cuts to the middle and lower class, No. He also gave a tax cut to the people that have the most and spend the least.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:21 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | Sorry, but you cant go by the poll.
Unless it's a controlled survey of an area, which it's not, It cannot be used to prove any point.
and RM, Kerry's lies and misleadings huh. You support a President who:
A: Can't speak properly, the coined term now is Bushonics.
B: Has started a War he cannot win. Yes that is correct, he cannot win a war against Terrorism, because there will always be people that believe different things and will do Radical things to get what they want. Religious Fanatics for an example.
C: Is STILL spending money that the US doesn't have.
D: Gave a tax cut to the rich. That money now goes into another Swiss Bank account, or any other out of country bank. It does not come back to be spent in any US store. |
A: He CAN speak properly
B: We COULD win the war, even though there will always be SOME fanatics. We HAVE to fight, no matter what, and Bush did NOT start the war--Al Queda did.
C: I agree that he IS spending too much money, but...
D: The Rich DO spend money at places in the US!
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Puck
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| Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:21 pm |
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | A: I didn't have to grab at anything, It's right in front of your face, you just choose not to see it.
B: It's not that I dont support the war, It's How many have to die before He can see it's like another Korean war.
C: Yes, but those President's didn't Continually spend, Only one did to bring the US out of A depression and "Dubya" is no FDR
D: Re-read what I said. did I ever bash the tax cuts to the middle and lower class, No. He also gave a tax cut to the people that have the most and spend the least. |
A: I still see this as irrelevant, I know he mixes his words around sometimes, but we all do, even if he does it a little more freqeuntly. At least it ads something to laugh at sometimes.
B: I don't want this to sound like I don't care about the deaths of Americans, but it seems the country has forgotten what the words war, and sacrifice mean.
C: Yes we are in debt, I don't really like that, I don't think anyone does. Ok, depending on how you veiw this, then fine, I guess you can keep this arguement.
D: Ok, he gave tax cuts to the rich.....but he also gave them to everyone else. The numbers everyone gives on these tax cuts are all different, so I dont give a damn about them anyway.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Apr 21, 2004 5:29 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | A: I didn't have to grab at anything, It's right in front of your face, you just choose not to see it.
B: It's not that I dont support the war, It's How many have to die before He can see it's like another Korean war.
C: Yes, but those President's didn't Continually spend, Only one did to bring the US out of A depression and "Dubya" is no FDR
D: Re-read what I said. did I ever bash the tax cuts to the middle and lower class, No. He also gave a tax cut to the people that have the most and spend the least. |
A: I still see this as irrelevant, I know he mixes his words around sometimes, but we all do, even if he does it a little more freqeuntly. At least it ads something to laugh at sometimes.
B: I don't want this to sound like I don't care about the deaths of Americans, but it seems the country has forgotten what the words war, and sacrifice mean.
C: Yes we are in debt, I don't really like that, I don't think anyone does. Ok, depending on how you veiw this, then fine, I guess you can keep this arguement.
D: Ok, he gave tax cuts to the rich.....but he also gave them to everyone else. The numbers everyone gives on these tax cuts are all different, so I dont give a damn about them anyway. |
A: Yeah, your right.
B: I agree, Janeway.
C: Yeah...
D: My dad is in the top 10% to 15% category for money-making--John Kerry's rich, and yet unfortunately we WEREN'T affected by the Tax Cuts! So, to say that the RICH are the only ones to get the tax cut is an inaccurate statement...Plus, I have middle-class friends that WERE affected by the tax cuts, as MOST PEOPLE WERE!!!
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:16 pm |
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^did you even read what I had said on D or do you do what most people do and skim down to the last part.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:41 pm |
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^Sorry, I should have specified...I meant for those who think the Rich are the ONLY ones who got cuts...
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Theresa
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:32 pm |
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One question...
You say Bush never served, that he was AWOL most of the time... How then did he learn to fly the F-6? I mean, you love to say how stupid he is, so we'd have to assume it took him longer than most to learn to fly...
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 5:08 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | One question...
You say Bush never served, that he was AWOL most of the time... How then did he learn to fly the F-6? I mean, you love to say how stupid he is, so we'd have to assume it took him longer than most to learn to fly... |
Good question, Theresa...The answer is he was NOT AWOL.
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:27 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | One question...
You say Bush never served, that he was AWOL most of the time... How then did he learn to fly the F-6? I mean, you love to say how stupid he is, so we'd have to assume it took him longer than most to learn to fly... |
Yawn.
T, you know as well as I that there is an entire conversation on that one question somewhere. If you ask the same questions, you get the same answers.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:30 pm |
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I laugh at your John Kerry for President sign, Link...I'm sorry, but I do...I will start a new 2004 Elections debate now...
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Link, the Hero of Time
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| Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:54 pm |
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sorry RM, you might laugh, but you should have looked at your sig before you said anything about mine.
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