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PostSun Apr 11, 2004 9:47 pm    Presidential Debates

I want to hear all of your political opinions.

First off I think the war in Iraq is happening because President George W. Bush Senior did not execute Saddam Hussein or imprisoned him forever in a jail cell after the Gulf War.

President Clinton was horrible when it came to security in the United States, but he was real good when it came to fixing the horrible economy of the early 90s. He was responsible in creating 1000 jobs an hour.

George W. Bush Jr. is a terrible president despite his 300,000 new jobs he created. While the economy made 300,000 new jobs 100,000 industrial jobs were lost, because they were shipped over seas just like computer programming jobs going to India.

The War in Iraq was a just cause. I just didnt like the fact President Bush started that war with the claim of Iraq buying uranium from Niger. And the fact that over 500 American lives have been lost and over 1000 Iraquis died because of his foolish actions.

I also dont like the fact President Bush has made America a so called enemy to the Islamic World. Many American allies are now paying the price for the War in Iraq.

I support John Kerry over Bush.


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Theresa
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PostMon Apr 12, 2004 4:59 pm    

Why not Nader? What's John Kerry ever done besides raise taxes? He votes on what will make him look good.
And the UN stopped GB SR from finishing in Iraq. Politics, lovely, aren't they?
Clinton didn't create crap. GB SR did. Clinton merely reaped the benefits of laws/precedents, etc... being enacted in his administration that were made in the previous.
1. Bill is proposed.
2. (six months later) Bill is voted on
3. (year later) if passed, bill is enacted.
^And that was leaving out several steps, like endorsements, etc... (and accelerating the timeline)Nothing done by Clinton during his first 2 years was felt, noticeable, until well into his first administration, and even into his second. This is something that was taught in high school civics. And the man was impeached.
GWB is terrible because 100,000 jobs were lost, while 300,000 were gained... ok, it's your opinion.
And the uranium thing. Blair made the same mistake. I don't know who's fault that was, CIA, FBI, NSA, etc..., but it's clear someone screwed up. And there were a list of reasons for going to war w/ Iraq, WMD's and the uranium just two.
GWB stands for what he believes in, regardless of popular opinion. That won't make you a career politician, but I can respect that. It's too bad more politicians aren't sincerely out for the good of their country and are more interested in lining their own pockets. Everyone should follow Kerry's example; marry heiresses.



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PostMon Apr 12, 2004 5:52 pm    

My thing is people think Catholics are gonna vote for Kerry bc/ he is Catholic. Well my family certainly is not. He is hipocritical in calling himself Catholic bc/ he goes against three fundamental beleifs of Catholosism.

1) He is pro-abortion.
2) He is also for gay marriage (no offense to anyone, this is just a fact)
3) He is divorced.


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PostMon Apr 12, 2004 9:38 pm    

Your thinking is flawed.

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First off I think the war in Iraq is happening because President George W. Bush Senior did not execute Saddam Hussein or imprisoned him forever in a jail cell after the Gulf War.


Nevermind that the only thing the US was supposed to do was to "Liberate" Kuwait, not invade and capture Saddam. Somehow, that's Bush's fault.

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President Clinton was horrible when it came to security in the United States, but he was real good when it came to fixing the horrible economy of the early 90s. He was responsible in creating 1000 jobs an hour.


Since when does a president have direct control over how companies hire? I thought the economy was going through a period of growth, after its period of recession that Bush Sr. had walked into. Clinton must've told the dot commers to hire people left and right.

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George W. Bush Jr. is a terrible president despite his 300,000 new jobs he created. While the economy made 300,000 new jobs 100,000 industrial jobs were lost, because they were shipped over seas just like computer programming jobs going to India.


Please tell me you're joking. Dell outsourced to save money. They're regretting that decision as their customer service has fallen significantly. Ford and GM cut jobs because of idle work in factories and slumping sales in the market. But it was Bush's fault, right?

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The War in Iraq was a just cause. I just didnt like the fact President Bush started that war with the claim of Iraq buying uranium from Niger. And the fact that over 500 American lives have been lost and over 1000 Iraquis died because of his foolish actions.


But what about the Iraqis that have died from Saddam's horrible actions? What about the Kurds and other minorities that don't have a voice in his country? Don't they get a say so? Don't they get someone to stick up for them? When you go to war with another country, you're gonna lose lives. The best thing you can do is publicly support your troops.

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I also dont like the fact President Bush has made America a so called enemy to the Islamic World. Many American allies are now paying the price for the War in Iraq.


America has already been hated in the Islamic world way before this occurred. Welcome to twenty years ago.

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I support John Kerry over Bush.


Everyone can't be right.


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PostSat Apr 17, 2004 1:22 pm    

Los wrote:
Your thinking is flawed.

Quote:
First off I think the war in Iraq is happening because President George W. Bush Senior did not execute Saddam Hussein or imprisoned him forever in a jail cell after the Gulf War.


Nevermind that the only thing the US was supposed to do was to "Liberate" Kuwait, not invade and capture Saddam. Somehow, that's Bush's fault.

Quote:
President Clinton was horrible when it came to security in the United States, but he was real good when it came to fixing the horrible economy of the early 90s. He was responsible in creating 1000 jobs an hour.


Since when does a president have direct control over how companies hire? I thought the economy was going through a period of growth, after its period of recession that Bush Sr. had walked into. Clinton must've told the dot commers to hire people left and right.

Quote:
George W. Bush Jr. is a terrible president despite his 300,000 new jobs he created. While the economy made 300,000 new jobs 100,000 industrial jobs were lost, because they were shipped over seas just like computer programming jobs going to India.


Please tell me you're joking. Dell outsourced to save money. They're regretting that decision as their customer service has fallen significantly. Ford and GM cut jobs because of idle work in factories and slumping sales in the market. But it was Bush's fault, right?

Quote:
The War in Iraq was a just cause. I just didnt like the fact President Bush started that war with the claim of Iraq buying uranium from Niger. And the fact that over 500 American lives have been lost and over 1000 Iraquis died because of his foolish actions.


But what about the Iraqis that have died from Saddam's horrible actions? What about the Kurds and other minorities that don't have a voice in his country? Don't they get a say so? Don't they get someone to stick up for them? When you go to war with another country, you're gonna lose lives. The best thing you can do is publicly support your troops.

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I also dont like the fact President Bush has made America a so called enemy to the Islamic World. Many American allies are now paying the price for the War in Iraq.


America has already been hated in the Islamic world way before this occurred. Welcome to twenty years ago.

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I support John Kerry over Bush.


Everyone can't be right.


Los, all I can say is WOW! How--what? Yikes! I agree with that, and good points.
And John Kerry is married to Theresa Heinz Kerry, however.



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PostSat Apr 17, 2004 1:30 pm    

Yes, Clinton did create crap. He took all the jobs and sent them everywhere else but the states. Everybody wants to blame Bush for democrats faults.

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PostSat Apr 17, 2004 1:48 pm    

I'm tired of the "Democrat Blame-Game." Ugh.


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PostSat Apr 17, 2004 5:09 pm    

Mrs. Kerry refuses to make her income tax public... Interesting...


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PostSat Apr 17, 2004 7:49 pm    

You should look at some of the stuff that Jesse Jackson gets away with on his taxes.

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PostSat Apr 17, 2004 8:28 pm    

You make a good point, Janeway. He gets away with SO MUCH, and yet he shouldn't.

And Theresa Heinze Kerry SHOULD give her tax returns...



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