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Arellia
The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| PrankishSmart wrote: |
The thing that annoys me about some people is that they may 100% believe in the god theory, but also 100% disregard the science because they don't understand it.
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*clears throat*
Ahem...no...they do not disregard science. Not all of us, thanks. I'm sort of...how would you say...in the science field? And kind of...a biologist...? Taking a class from an...atheist? Who does everything to disprove the existence of God? And yet?
I still believe in God.
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Paul Marshall
Rear Admiral
Joined: 30 Aug 2002
Posts: 2976
Location: Winston-Salem, North Carolina
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| Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:23 am |
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| B'Ellanna_Torrez wrote: | | PrankishSmart wrote: |
The thing that annoys me about some people is that they may 100% believe in the god theory, but also 100% disregard the science because they don't understand it.
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*clears throat*
Ahem...no...they do not disregard science. Not all of us, thanks. I'm sort of...how would you say...in the science field? And kind of...a biologist...? Taking a class from an...atheist? Who does everything to disprove the existence of God? And yet?
I still believe in God. |
How exactly do you know that your teacher is trying to disprove the existance of God?? Maybe he is just feeding you so much of the truth you twist it around and happen to think it's 'Ungodly'.
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Arellia
The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Posts: 4425
Location: Dallas, TX
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| Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:43 am |
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| Paul Marshall wrote: |
How exactly do you know that your teacher is trying to disprove the existance of God?? Maybe he is just feeding you so much of the truth you twist it around and happen to think it's 'Ungodly'. |
No, he actually gives 'reasons' that creationism 'Does no work.' His exact words; "These are the reasons that creationism does not work." We see?  I think what he teaches on this particular subject is, from my point of view, idiotic. I think that the theory of evolution is just hilarious, and I would seriously like to know how he thinks that, as someone on here mentioned before, the elements of this 'Big Bang' came to be to begin with.
So no, he does not 'Feed me the truth'. I don't think it's the truth--how could it be true if, in his own words, nothing in science is proven? Nothing in science, according to him, is concrete. Theories almost always change over time in one way or another.
Now, I'm going to leave this be and quit going on, 'cause arguing over it *almost* never changes anyone's mind, and *almost* always leaves people more aggressive and stubborn in their ways than ever.
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Paul Marshall
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Location: Winston-Salem, North Carolina
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| Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:53 am |
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^I see what you're saying. That guy shouldn't be teaching if he goes that far with his points of view. That's kind of like trying to teach someone that random killing is right, when they've learned that it is wrong their whole lives.
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Jeremy
J's Guy
Joined: 03 Oct 2002
Posts: 7823
Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
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| Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:25 am |
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| PrankishSmart wrote: |
The thing that annoys me about some people is that they may 100% believe in the god theory, but also 100% disregard the science because they don't understand it. |
Yeah, the same except it's more to people who think that science and religion can't co-exist. Religion doesn't say that science isn't true for most things. Religion explains why in many cases and science the how. In a number of cases something such as the earth being at the centre of the universe might be used to say that religion is wrong. But point out the place in the bible that it says the earth is at the center of the universe? It was something that the church (as an organisation) took up, although there is nothing to back it up. It's flaws on the part of people, and not the religion.
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Leo Wyatt
Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004
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| Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:01 pm |
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Science is not true cause they just set out to prove there is no God when there is. You can not tell me that there is no God. Cause if you are blind then you don't know the truth nor can't see it.
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Paul Marshall
Rear Admiral
Joined: 30 Aug 2002
Posts: 2976
Location: Winston-Salem, North Carolina
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| Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:04 pm |
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^That's just mere opinion.
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Oliver
Thought Maker
Joined: 28 Feb 2004
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Location: Antwerp, Belgium
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| Wed Apr 14, 2004 1:13 pm |
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People who believe in God tend to think that God is all-knowing, all-seeing, all-everything. God can do anything. God has absolute and unlimited power.
If this is true, then God can create a stone that he/she can't lift. But if this is the case, then God can't do anything anymore and thus not omnipotent.
It contradicts itself...
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001
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| Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:38 pm |
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kmma and others, you may find the hijacked portion of this topic here. Do not continue it in this topic.
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T. Dean
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| Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:56 pm |
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I think that Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung were on the right track with the issue of whether God exists or does not exist. Now, this is just my idea about God (I don't want people jumping on my case). God is just a manifestation of our desire for perfection. God is the ideal we have of rising above the enviroment. It is the symbol for the yearning that we have had to improve further and further since we emerged from the primordial sludge, since we began to walk upright and create.
In the same sense, the Devil is the manifestation of our deep primative desires. He represents chaos, anarchy whereas God, Christ, etc. represents order and evolution. We must tell te devil (regression) "get thee behind me" and find salvation in God (progression). Human beings tend toward using symbols to wrap their heads around collosal ideas and circumstances.
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Republican_Man
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| T. Dean wrote: | I think that Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung were on the right track with the issue of whether God exists or does not exist. Now, this is just my idea about God (I don't want people jumping on my case). God is just a manifestation of our desire for perfection. God is the ideal we have of rising above the enviroment. It is the symbol for the yearning that we have had to improve further and further since we emerged from the primordial sludge, since we began to walk upright and create.
In the same sense, the Devil is the manifestation of our deep primative desires. He represents chaos, anarchy whereas God, Christ, etc. represents order and evolution. We must tell te devil (regression) "get thee behind me" and find salvation in God (progression). Human beings tend toward using symbols to wrap their heads around collosal ideas and circumstances. |
I don't agree with that. I'm sorry, but that is NOT me.
And what do you mean by "hijacked portion," Theresa?
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Puck
The Texan
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| Sat Apr 17, 2004 8:58 pm |
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T moved some of this topic where it got a little "rough" to the link where it says "here" if you want to you can go veiw it, however i suggest that you ignore it....its all over with.
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Mikado
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I should really read things more often. Yes.
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Leo Wyatt
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She meaning me cause I got little ticked soinstead of her deleting the post cause it got heated she decided to make fun of me put it somewhere that says kmma take 2 or something like that. You know she might be mad at me but whoever put it like kmma take 2 was really wrong. and people still view it.
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tobykeithsgirl
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| Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:23 am |
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I don't know who you are Kmma but don't get mad easily at people.
I personally believe in God but there is no use in fighting. Let people think what they want to think and move on.
Some advise, Kmma. If you see a topic you don't agree with then just put a opinion and leave. I know I made my share of mistakes in life.
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PrankishSmart
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Location: Hobart, Australia.
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| Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:36 am |
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| B'Ellanna_Torrez wrote: | | PrankishSmart wrote: |
The thing that annoys me about some people is that they may 100% believe in the god theory, but also 100% disregard the science because they don't understand it.
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*clears throat*
Ahem...no...they do not disregard science. Not all of us, thanks. I'm sort of...how would you say...in the science field? And kind of...a biologist...? Taking a class from an...atheist? Who does everything to disprove the existence of God? And yet?
I still believe in God. |
Ok, so you don't disregard the science. But most people who are religious do disregard the science; thats the way they were brought up, not their fault. Thats only my opinion of course. Don't try to take that away from me.
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001
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Location: United States of America
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| Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:54 am |
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| kmma wrote: | | She meaning me cause I got little ticked soinstead of her deleting the post cause it got heated she decided to make fun of me put it somewhere that says kmma take 2 or something like that. You know she might be mad at me but whoever put it like kmma take 2 was really wrong. and people still view it. |
1. I moved it to where you could continue your rant, because I was not going to allow it here.
2. It was not one post, I assumed, as did others, that you were conversing. You seem to like to yell at others, so there you go.
3. If you make one more post in this topic regarding this issue, you will be warned. Again.
There is a wonderful PM feature, and I know you know how to use it.
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janeway9
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| Sun Apr 18, 2004 10:52 am Re: Existence |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Do we exist?
Do others exist?
Are we the only one's here?
Does God exist?
Did Gene Roddenberry exist? (A joke)
Let's take this discussion to contemplate existence.
Keep it on task, please. |
Well, if you ask me I don't know really to be honest. In away I think we do but if you look at it on the science level no we don't really. Are we the only one's? No in my opinion why would there be other places out there for nothing...right. I think that there has to be more then just us here. Does God exist...well that is a matter of opinion...but I really don't know myself.
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:37 pm Re: Existence |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Do we exist?
Do others exist?
Are we the only one's here?
Does God exist?
Did Gene Roddenberry exist? (A joke)
Let's take this discussion to contemplate existence.
Keep it on task, please. |
Yes we exist.
Yes, others exist, if I do, why shouldn't they?
As in aliens and such? Why not.
Hmmm, I'm leaning towards "does not."
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Jeremy
J's Guy
Joined: 03 Oct 2002
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| Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:19 am |
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| PrankishSmart wrote: | | B'Ellanna_Torrez wrote: | | PrankishSmart wrote: |
The thing that annoys me about some people is that they may 100% believe in the god theory, but also 100% disregard the science because they don't understand it.
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*clears throat*
Ahem...no...they do not disregard science. Not all of us, thanks. I'm sort of...how would you say...in the science field? And kind of...a biologist...? Taking a class from an...atheist? Who does everything to disprove the existence of God? And yet?
I still believe in God. |
Ok, so you don't disregard the science. But most people who are religious do disregard the science; thats the way they were brought up, not their fault. Thats only my opinion of course. Don't try to take that away from me. |
I'm not taking your opinion away from you, but most religious people believe in science. Religion doesn't train people to not accept science. As I said before, science explains the how, and the religion the why. They can co-exist together, it doesn't mean that one is the right way, and the other is wrong.
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Jeff Miller
Fleet Admiral
Joined: 22 Nov 2001
Posts: 23947
Location: Mental Ward for the Mentaly Unstable 6th floor, Saint John's 1615 Delaware Longview Washington 98632
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| Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:54 am |
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I exist I refuse to think that I exist because some figment exists so in other words I exist god doesn't.
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voyager rocks
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Joined: 27 Feb 2004
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| Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:05 pm |
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I exist because god exist
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PrankishSmart
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Location: Hobart, Australia.
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| Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:13 pm |
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^I exist because of an evolutionary process called the big bang.
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Paul Marshall
Rear Admiral
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| Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:17 pm |
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^  , Smart Butt,
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Jeremy
J's Guy
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| Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:12 am |
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| PrankishSmart wrote: | | ^I exist because of an evolutionary process called the big bang. |
As I have said a few times before, although you've ignored it, the Big Bang does not disprove of God. It says that God created the world (at least in the bible) but not how he did. It could have been by a Big Bang.
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