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Capt.Nero
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 Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:38 pm 12 American Soldiers Killed In Iraq |
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| Quote: | BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- As many as a dozen U.S. Marines were killed Tuesday in heavy fighting in the western Iraq town of Ramadi, the latest in a series of clashes with anti-coalition elements, Pentagon officials said.
The large-scale attack was mounted by suspected remnants of ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein's Baath Party, officials said.
A high-ranking military source said initial reports indicated several government buildings had been seized by fewer than 100 insurgents.
The insurgents attacked a Marine position near the governor's palace.
The source said as many as 20 Marines had been wounded. There also were heavy enemy casualties
Ramadi, about 60 miles west of Baghdad, is part of the Sunni triangle, an area north and west of the capital where much of the resistance to the U.S.-led occupation has occurred.
The 1st Marine Expeditionary Force recently took over from the Army's 82nd Airborne Division in the region, which includes the area extending to the border with Syria.
One Pentagon official described the region as "the badlands."
East of Ramadi, heavy fighting was reported in Fallujah as Marines and Iraqi security forces were reasserting control after the killing and mutilation of four civilian security guards last week.
And in Baghdad and at least four cities in the country's south, U.S. and coalition troops battled supporters of Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr for a third day.
In the holy city of Najaf in southern Iraq, al-Sadr's militia was in control of government, police and spiritual sites, a coalition source said.
Al-Sadr also was busing followers into Najaf from Sadr City, a Baghdad neighborhood, according to the coalition source, who said that many members of his outlawed militia, Mehdi's Army, were from surrounding provinces.
Al-Sadr -- who is wanted on murder charges in connection with the killing of a rival last year -- reportedly has taken refuge in the Imam Ali mosque in Najaf, one of Shiite Islam's holiest shrines.
A posting on al-Sadr's Web site said he has called for a general strike.
Qais al-Khazaal, a spokesman for al-Sadr, said the young cleric wants coalition troops to withdraw from populated areas and release prisoners taken into custody in recent demonstrations.
Marines moved into Fallujah from several directions -- coming under heavy fire from insurgents -- in a second day of an operation to lock down the city.
Hospital officials in Fallujah reported at least 10 Iraqis dead and 24 injured.
Abrams tanks and infantry fighting vehicles led the Marine columns across a railway line north of the city into urban areas, where they were fired on by assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades.
The tanks and mounted grenade launchers picked off rooftop snipers, destroying at least three houses in the process.
Marines also detained six Iraqis carrying explosives near a command post north of Fallujah, a Marine officer said. The officer said the material was intended to make homemade bombs.
Despite the widespread unrest, L. Paul Bremer, the top U.S. civilian administrator in Iraq, said there was no question coalition forces were in control of the country.
"I know if you just report on those few places, it does look chaotic," Bremer said.
"But if you travel around the country ... what you find is a bustling economy, people opening businesses right and left, unemployment has dropped."
In Baghdad, firefights continued particularly in the Shiite area of Sadr City. Reports also indicated that Italian troops were battling al-Sadr supporters in the southern city of Nasiriyah.
Iraqi Shiite supporters of Muqtada al-Sadr chant anti-U.S slogans Tuesday in Najaf.
Fighting broke out between coalition forces and al-Sadr's Mehdi Army on Saturday after the arrest of the cleric's deputy on charges in connection with Abdul Majeed al-Khoei's death April 10, 2003, outside the Imam Ali shrine in Najaf.
Twelve people were arrested last fall when an Iraqi judge issued 25 warrants in the case, including the ones for al-Sadr and his deputy, Mustafa al-Yaqoubi, coalition officials said.
Yaqoubi was arrested Saturday in Najaf and turned over to Iraqi police Monday, they said.
About 50 Iraqis were reported killed around the country in Tuesday's clashes.
Hospital sources said 36 of those were killed in battles with U.S. troops in Baghdad's Sadr City, a Shiite slum named for the rebellious cleric's assassinated father.
Bremer described al-Sadr as "a guy who has a fundamentally inappropriate view of the new Iraq."
"He believes that in the new Iraq, like in the old Iraq, power should be to the guy with guns," Bremer said. "That is an unacceptable vision for Iraq."
In Najaf, spokesman al-Khazaal said al-Sadr had "received many letters from other religious leaders" supporting him, mentioning Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani -- the most senior Iraqi Shiite cleric.
U.S. Marines on watch in Fallujah
"Sistani said in his letter that he supported us for standing for what we believe ... but that he also thought that we should try to resolve this matter in a more calm and civil way,"al-Khazaal said.
Pentagon sources said the military would exercise caution in seeking al-Sadr in an attempt to avoid giving him more stature among radicalized Iraqis.
Pentagon officials played down reports that American troops' tours of duty in Iraq could be extended to bolster the U.S. occupation force there.
Though that is one possibility, one official said it was not under "active consideration."
About 134,000 U.S. troops are now in Iraq, but that number is scheduled to drop to 110,000 over the next few months as part of a scheduled rotation of forces
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Monkey
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:53 pm |
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who cares "it's a time of war" thats the excuse I'm always hearing for Hiroshima and Nagasaki
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Capt.Nero
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:58 pm |
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you know monkey.............thats exactly the point.Im tired of the media always saying it was Al-Queda this and Al-Queda that.Has the Americain population ever concidered that now saddam is behind bars the iraqi people dont want them there anymore.I was wathcing on CNN about 2 weeks ago a Americain Journalist was talking to a group of elderly Iraqi's and all of them sayed the same thing...that now saddam is out its time for America to leave.These killings that are going on i think may be some king of iraqi Revoltion or uprising.
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Capt.Nero
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:00 pm |
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ALSO A NOTE----------------------Ive been reading on alot of the posts in this section and i noticed you people really like to argue.I dont want to argue in this post and i dont want to see any kind of stupid arguing whatsoever please.
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Theresa
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:31 pm |
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June 30, 2004. Does this date mean anything to any of you?
And that's funny, about the interviews, because I also see ones of children hugging the soldiers, etc... Thanking them. I'd imagine it depends on where you look. Go to Fallujah, see what you find. Get the picture?
(BTW, I am going to edit the topic title for spelling)
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Capt.Nero
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:33 pm |
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Yes I realize thats the date for the elections..though I doubt the Americains will be there long enough.........and i know theres some that are greatful there there but the majority of them arent...I think the killings in Fullujah is a perfect example.
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Capt.Nero
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:35 pm |
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Let me just say this form what Ive been reading on this site...Bush has u thinking what he wants u to think.
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Theresa
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:37 pm |
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"The majority aren't". Is this the same majority that was happy under Saddam? The same majority that was going to fight off the "evil Americans"? And the same majority that would never surrender Baghdad? Oddly enough, I saw this same majority cheering when the tanks rolled into Baghdad, and pulling down statues of Saddam. This same majority dancing in the streets when hearing that Saddam's sons were dead, and that Saddam himself was captured.
Odd, don't you think?
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Theresa
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:38 pm |
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| Capt.Nero wrote: | | Let me just say this form what Ive been reading on this site...Bush has u thinking what he wants u to think. |
And there is your error. I bother you because I think. If you knew anything about me, you'd have not said that.
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Capt.Nero
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:39 pm |
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I realize that to but that was some propaganda.......................and soon iraq will be in for a civil war the US troops will be caught in the middle of it and that will be that.
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Puck
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:39 pm |
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No one has me thinking anything, I think for myself.
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Capt.Nero
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:40 pm |
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Did u read when i saqyed they were happy saddam was captured and such but thought afterwards the the US'S job was done and it was time to go....the Americans will do what they did in saudi arabia set troops there and never leave.
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Theresa
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:41 pm |
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| Capt.Nero wrote: | | I realize that to but that was some propaganda.......................and soon iraq will be in for a civil war the US troops will be caught in the middle of it and that will be that. |
Ah yes. You are one of those people. Everything positive that comes out of Iraq is propoganda, but all of the bad stuff is the truth... Thanks for clarifying that. And may I commend you on your incredible powers of discernment.
(I also hoped you discerned the very lightly veiled sarcasm in that post)
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Capt.Nero
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:41 pm |
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Theresa
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:44 pm |
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| Capt.Nero wrote: | | Did u read when i saqyed they were happy saddam was captured and such but thought afterwards the the US'S job was done and it was time to go....the Americans will do what they did in saudi arabia set troops there and never leave. |
Dude, here's a word for you. Research. And we have a base in Saudi Arabia for military purposes. A base that the Saudi's have no problem with.
Do some research on Haiti. It's exactly the situation that you are asking we leave the Iraqi's in. Take off and leave them to fend for themselves. Let the militias begin fighting, let the children be killed. And if you can't see the parralells... well, I really don't know.
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Theresa
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| Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:50 pm |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | No one has me thinking anything, I think for myself. |
You so don't,  We've been "Bush Brainwashed",
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| Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:25 am |
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But Jesus was welcomed with opened arms and cryes of joy then a week later was met with shout of rage and false accusations
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Theresa
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| Thu Apr 08, 2004 9:56 am |
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^Not by all.
And where is the comparison here? You are comparing Americans to Jesus? The circumstance isn't even close. But if you want to continue on with this thread, how revered is Jesus now? His book is still the #1 best seller. Amazing, huh?
Though I really must say, the relevance of your comparison eludes me. Americans are in no way a deity.
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| Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:50 am |
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All I am going to say is that things look like they're going from bad to worse. Al-Sadr's militias have taken control of 3 cities in the Polish Sector and the insurgents have Japanese hostages. The fighting is as heavy as when the war began. This is Vietnam all over again; an enigma of violence with no truly winning solution (at least in the near future).
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Theresa
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| Fri Apr 09, 2004 9:08 am |
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Insurgents? Hmm..., according to Nero, it's all Iraqi's. Barring those we paid to smile at the camera's, of course.
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Capt.Nero
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| Sat Apr 10, 2004 3:40 pm |
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Theresa There are some that are happy that the americans are there.But what dont u understand?The majority aren't.And once the civil war begins in iraq and lots of US soilders come home in body bags.......do u still think the americans will have been in there for a noble cause?You may be okay with the hole Iraq situation now..but eventually u will probably get tired of hearing the casualty reports and want ur troops to come home.
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Puck
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| Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:44 pm |
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I've got an idea, why doesn't everyone stop talking about whether we should have gone to war in Iraq, or if or if not it is going to turn out alright, or if Bush knew about 9-11 before hand, or whether the Iraqis like us or not. What is done is done, it is no help anymore to complain about any of this stuff. What would help is if everyone would accept this, and start thinking of ways to make sure the war turns out alright, and to make sure that we don't let anything about 9-11 happen again, and how we can make the majority of Iraqis better. And I am not gettin mad at yall or anything....but the politicians. They spend so much time "ivestigating" what happened....or accusing each other that the other is doing a bad job, and that Iraq was a bad idea. We would be better off if they would investigate new ways to prevent terrorism....or if they investigated the ways of the middle east and terrorism...and if they started proposing new ideas to make sure Iraq turns out good. Complaining about what has been donein the past is a waste of time, you can't change it, all you can do is look for ways to have the best turn-out in the future.
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| Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:47 am |
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I hate repeating myself. Unless you people was in Iraq, you don't have a clue what went on and the news does not always tell the truth. My husband was over there. and for now, I won't repeat myself again. Yeah ya including me, we need to stop fighting.
And No Bush did not know 9/11 was going to happen unless you can read his mind.
Clinton falied the first time when he sent soldiers over there just to bomb a few places and then coward out and you want to put it on Bush. Bull!
Yeah Bush gets the blame for what Clinton done while he was in office.
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