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Republican_Man
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| Quote: | | Yep you're right, Hamas is a Palestinian Liberation organisation. Before the Militant Wing was founded it had no affiliation with Terrorism, and the Organisation as a whole is not a Terrorist group. |
NO! I'm sorry, but it IS a terrorist organization. Is there TRULY an Isreali occupation of Palestine? Sir...
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Pah-Wraith
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Quote: | | Yep you're right, Hamas is a Palestinian Liberation organisation. Before the Militant Wing was founded it had no affiliation with Terrorism, and the Organisation as a whole is not a Terrorist group. |
NO! I'm sorry, but it IS a terrorist organization. |
Emm No it's not, It has a Militant Wing which sometimes resorts to terrorism but it is not a Terrorist Organisation. I've studied the organisation In my Politics class.
However you seem to have thought being Anti-Zionist Involves being Anti-Semetic so you might be confused.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:50 pm |
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Being anti-Israeli IS being anti-semetic, sir.
And now I would like to say, WHY does Hamas use CHILDREN for their cause?
And how do you know that your politics class isn't BIASED, sir?
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Pah-Wraith
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:58 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Being anti-Israeli IS being anti-semetic, sir. |
Emm no thats like me saying "Being Anti-American is being Anti-White" Israel is made up of Christians, Muslims and Jews 
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:06 pm |
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A Jewish Friend of mine is here and would like to say something:
NOTE: THIS IS NOT ME, although I will most likely agree with it.
| Quote: | Okay dude, what is your problem, huh? Have you even seen the flag for Israel? It has the Star of David on it. The star of David symbolizes Judiasm. Most of the Christians that are in Israel are tourists. As far as Muslims and other religions and races, well, they're minorities. Seriously, you need to wake up.  |
That was my friend, and he speaks the truth.
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Pah-Wraith
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:10 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | A Jewish Friend of mine is here and would like to say something:
NOTE: THIS IS NOT ME, although I will most likely agree with it.
| Quote: | | Okay dude, what is your problem, huh? Have you even seen the flag for Israel? It has the Star of David on it. The star of David symbolizes Judiasm. Most of the Christians that are in Israel are tourists. As far as Muslims and other religions and races, well, they're minorities. Seriously, you need to wake up. |
That was my friend, and he speaks the truth. |
There are still many Scottish Jews who are critical of the Israeli Government, does that make them anti-Semetic Self-Degrading Jews, I think not. In Reality being anti-Zionist and Anti-Israeli does not mean you're anti-Semetic
Races- It is a proven fact that most Israelis are descended from Jewish Converts rather than the Hebrew Race, the majority are Slavonic in Race.
The Saudi Arabian Flag contains Qur'anic Writing however if anyone was critical of Saudi Arabia, Muslims would not call it Islamophobic 
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:16 pm |
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| Pah-Wraith wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | A Jewish Friend of mine is here and would like to say something:
NOTE: THIS IS NOT ME, although I will most likely agree with it.
| Quote: | | Okay dude, what is your problem, huh? Have you even seen the flag for Israel? It has the Star of David on it. The star of David symbolizes Judiasm. Most of the Christians that are in Israel are tourists. As far as Muslims and other religions and races, well, they're minorities. Seriously, you need to wake up. |
That was my friend, and he speaks the truth. |
There are still many Scottish Jews who are critical of the Israeli Government, does that make them anti-Semetic Self-Degrading Jews, I think not. In Reality being anti-Zionist and Anti-Israeli does not mean you're anti-Semetic
The Saudi Arabian Flag contains Qur'anic Writing however if anyone was critical of Saudi Arabia, Muslims would not call it Islamophobic |
| Quote: | Yo! It's Republican Man's friend again. So, there are Scottish Jews, huh? Well, Top of the mornin' to ya! I'm confused by what you are saying. Is anti-zionist and anti-israeli the same thing? Please reply.  |
RM here: If you are CRITICAL of the Israeli-government, that doesn't make you anti-semetic or anti-isreali...Therefore, I believe I never called YOU that...If that makes much sense...
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Pah-Wraith
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:24 pm |
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Anti-Zionist Generally means anti-Israel's Occupation of the country formerly known as Palestine.
Anti-Israeli means- Hatred towards the people whose nationality is israeli. 
((In reply to your friend)
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:31 pm |
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| Pah-Wraith wrote: | Anti-Zionist Generally means anti-Israel's Occupation of the country formerly known as Palestine.
Anti-Israeli means- Hatred towards the people whose nationality is israeli.
((In reply to your friend) |
| Quote: | Well, thank you for the clarification. So there are really Scottish Jews huh? I suppose that if someone's anit-semetic it's not really the same thing as anti-Israeli. But, if Israel was all Jewish people, then it would be both anti-semetic and anti-Israeli, as well as racist, but that's obvious.  |
RM here: You've somewhat changed my mind. If you are anti-Isreali GOVERNMENT, and government only, then you are only anti-Zionist, I think that's the word. Therefore you are NOT anti-semetic, but if you don't like the Isreali PEOPLE not associated with the government, then you are anit-semetic. Reply?
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Well, what I was saying was that I am a anti-Zionist, then. I hope that's clear. Additionally, I did not appriciate being called an anti-semetic, for the simple reason that I am not.
Oh, and to your friend, RM: There are jews everywhere. 
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:50 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Still, it is their Holy Land as well...It seems like there may (key word being may be a bunch of anti-semetic people here in these forums. |
I never CALLED ANYONE AN ANTI-SEMITE in the 1st place, and I'm sorry, then.
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Is that so?
| Republican_Man wrote: | | Captain Dappet wrote: | Now, I have nothing against Jews in any way, so don't go call me anti-semetic, because then I might lose my temper.
But, it is not right for any to simple make a new nation where an old one already is. This was Palestinian land before it was given to the Israeli. True, it is their Holy Land, as well, but if they wanted to go to their Holy Land, they could simply go to Palestine, or summat.
I do not support Israel. Oh, and I'll try to find some proof of these claims:
Hamas is not simply a "terrorist organization". They have schools, clinics and other good-natured services.
Now, I'm no expert in this subject, but I believe what Hamas is fighting for may be the right thing. |
Then if we can't call you an anti-semite, why have I been labeld a RACIST by several Liberals for wanting a crackdown on Illegal Immigration? Plus, that is DEFINITELY an anti-semite comment... |
Then what is this?
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Pah-Wraith
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| Fri Apr 02, 2004 4:43 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | RM here: You've somewhat changed my mind. If you are anti-Isreali GOVERNMENT, and government only, then you are only anti-Zionist, I think that's the word. Therefore you are NOT anti-semetic, but if you don't like the Isreali PEOPLE not associated with the government, then you are anit-semetic. Reply? |
Technically if you are Anti-Israeli overall, I suppose you could be classed as Anti-Semetic, depends roughly on your criticisms of the Israeli people I guess.
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imzadi76
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| Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:40 pm |
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Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was Isreal's equivalent of Osama Bin Laden. Do you want to jeer the US when we finally get him?
...and we will
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:13 pm |
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[quote="Captain Dappet"]Is that so?
| Republican_Man wrote: | | Captain Dappet wrote: | Now, I have nothing against Jews in any way, so don't go call me anti-semetic, because then I might lose my temper.
But, it is not right for any to simple make a new nation where an old one already is. This was Palestinian land before it was given to the Israeli. True, it is their Holy Land, as well, but if they wanted to go to their Holy Land, they could simply go to Palestine, or summat.
I do not support Israel. Oh, and I'll try to find some proof of these claims:
Hamas is not simply a "terrorist organization". They have schools, clinics and other good-natured services.
Then if we can't call you an anti-semite, why have I been labeld a RACIST by several Liberals for wanting a crackdown on Illegal Immigration? Plus, that is DEFINITELY an anti-semite comment... |
Then what is this? |
Sorry, I guess I did say that. I appologie...But DO you dislike Israel, or just the government.
Well, no, Imzadi, at least not right now. Osama attacked us, Yassin did not. If he did, and his group carries out what they said he would, then we should/shouldn't have. (Who is Yassin again...the former leader of Hamas? I just want to check that, because if it's so, Israel already got him.
And good reasoning, Wraith. Plus, you changed my mind a bit.
Now, I'm no expert in this subject, but I believe what Hamas is fighting for may be the right thing.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Well, no, Imzadi, at least not right now. Osama attacked us, Yassin did not. If he did, and his group carries out what they said he would, then we should/shouldn't have. (Who is Yassin again...the former leader of Hamas? I just want to check that, because if it's so, Israel already got him. |
I think you misunderstood my meaning. Yassin, the former head of Hamas, is to Isreal what Osama is to America. And we didn't kill him, Isreal did.
So Isreal finally tracks down and kills the leader of the terrorist organization that has been attacking the Isreali people and everyone's upset? I don't get it.
Whenever America finally tracks down and kills Osama I hope there isn't the same luke-warm responce from the world community that Isreal is currently recieving.
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| Sat Apr 03, 2004 1:09 pm |
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| imzadi76 wrote: | I think you misunderstood my meaning. Yassin, the former head of Hamas, is to Isreal what Osama is to America. And we didn't kill him, Isreal did.
So Isreal finally tracks down and kills the leader of the terrorist organization that has been attacking the Isreali people and everyone's upset?. |
Israel Killed the Spiritual Leader of Hamas, which is not a Terrorist Organisation but Instead a Liberation Organisation with a Fundamentalist Militant Wing who like to take actions into their own hands
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Sorry, I guess I did say that. I appologie...But DO you dislike Israel, or just the government. |
There is no way I could possibly dislike the entire Israeli population. I dislike the Government, and the occupation of Palestine.
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| Pah-Wraith wrote: |
...which is not a Terrorist Organisation but Instead a Liberation Organisation with a Fundamentalist Militant Wing who like to take actions into their own hands |
forgive me if I don't see the big distinction.
That sounds like a description of the KKK.
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| Sat Apr 03, 2004 1:49 pm |
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Hmm you could say that they are to Hamas, what the KKK is to Christianity I guess.
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:58 pm |
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| Pah-Wraith wrote: |
...which is not a Terrorist Organisation but Instead a Liberation Organisation with a Fundamentalist Militant Wing who like to take actions into their own hands |
Then why are CHILDREN sent to die EXTREMELY OFTEN? They are a group--the vast majority of the group--that is made up of Isreali-hating, Jewish-hating (YES, I said Jewish hating) people that kill themselves and children for TERROR.
And yes, Yassin was to Isreal like Osama is to America, and I am GLAD that he is no longer among the living but, well, underground, if you know what I mean.
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