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Saddam's French Lawyer Criticizes Bush
Sunday, March 28, 2004
PARIS � A French lawyer who claims to be representing Saddam Hussein (search) said Sunday he doesn't think there will be a trial for a long time and criticized President Bush for pronouncing the former dictator guilty of atrocities.
Jacques Verges (search) said he believes the United States has violated the Geneva Conventions (search) on several counts in its detention of Saddam, and said the world must wait for a trial to determine what Saddam did wrong.
"We know that Mr. Bush has said he's guilty," Verges told Associated Press Television News. "But what does that mean? Mr. Bush is not a judge. We cannot accept him as a judge. He is an enemy of Saddam Hussein."
Verges, known for taking on clients including terrorists and a Nazi (search) leader, said he didn't think Saddam's trial would happen "before a long time."
By the most conservative estimates, Saddam's regime killed 300,000 men, women and children during his 23 years as president. Investigators are still sifting through millions of pages of documents and some 270 mass graves.
Verges said he received a letter from Saddam's family requesting that he defend the former leader, and he agreed to do so. There has been no confirmation that he will be Saddam's lawyer, and U.S. officials have not yet commented on the claim.
Verges said his most pressing work will be to ensure that Iraq's occupying forces respect the 1949 Geneva Conventions. He said Saddam's family has received no information about his health in U.S. detention. Saddam was captured in December.
Referring to the televised footage of Saddam's medical exam after his capture in December, Verges said: "It's against the Geneva Conventions to interrogate a man, examine and exhibit him like an animal at a fair, with a doctor acting more like a veterinarian -- looking at his teeth, his hair, his tongue."
President Bush has said that details still need to be worked out before Saddam can be handed over to Iraq's leaders, who have said they want a quick trial that would sentence Saddam to death.
The International Committee of the Red Cross visited Saddam in jail for the first time in February. The ICRC does not release details of such visits or the prisoner's confinement.
However, Saddam did write a letter to his family that was to be delivered once the United States confirmed it does not contain any hidden messages to his followers. Verges did not discuss that letter.
Verges also said he hopes to take Saddam's case to the International Criminal Court in The Hague, Netherlands.
Though the United States has not ratified the 1998 treaty establishing the court, Verges said he still believed that other nations that took part in the U.S.-led war, including Britain and Spain, could be held responsible there.
The court, however, has previously indicated that it doesn't have jurisdiction over events that occurred in Iraq, which also never ratified its founding treaty.
Verges has previously defended Klaus Barbie, a Nazi Gestapo chief in France during World War II. Last month, Khieu Samphan, a former Khmer Rouge leader, said he had picked Verges to defend him at a proposed genocide trial for surviving leaders of the group that ruled Cambodia in the 1970s.
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hahaha...sily french!
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Republican_Man
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| Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:40 pm |
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Silly French...no, JERKS...(Specifically the Government)
Only the French would represent a ruthless dictator...
Now lets look at some of the atrocities that our good friend Saddam committed:
-1980s: MURDERED THOUSANDS OF KURDS via WMDs because they opposed his rule
-Tortured people by cutting off tongues and throwing them off buildings for no good reason
-And that's NOT ALL!
Keep adding to this list of atrocoties...
You know, how could the French deny such acts.
He really gets me angry! 
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Leo Wyatt
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:26 am |
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The French just wants an evil man back in power so he can threathen the US and torture his people again. They don't want me as a judge. Cause I put Saddam to deaf. He is scum of the earth.
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:49 am |
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Erm...It's not the French, it's this particular Frenchman. Saddam is a criminal, and like any other criminal, he will recieve a fair trial, with a lawyer.
And if mr. Verges wants to defend terrorists, let him. It's really none of your business who defends. Someone needs to do it.
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:04 pm |
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I'm sorry, Captain, but the French brought in the idiotic French government, and most French oppose(d) the Iraq war, and therefore it is the French that are pretty much ALL at fault...
You can't just say that it's one person when pretty much all of the French gave the US the finger.
I'm sorry to shock you with the truth. 
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:20 pm |
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I have issues w/ the "damn French",  , mainly becuase of the history, but w/e. They did help us, but then it was like they lost their backbone.
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 1:29 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | I'm sorry, Captain, but the French brought in the idiotic French government, and most French oppose(d) the Iraq war, and therefore it is the French that are pretty much ALL at fault...
You can't just say that it's one person when pretty much all of the French gave the US the finger.
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Are we talking about Saddam's trial or the reason for the war here?
Since the article is about that mr. Verges criticizes Bush, and that he will be Saddam's lawyer, I assumed that was what we were talking about.
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:30 pm |
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Both, sir...Both.
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:51 pm |
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This French guy is some @$$, there is no way to defend Saddam!!!, he killed at least 30,000...um HELLO, the only reason he is going to trial is because innocent until proven guilty, and so the Iraqi's and the rest of the world need him to...there is NOTHING to defend him with....what, you think that saying the US treated him like an "animal" in the medicle check-up is gonna weigh any agianst the fact he is like a much less grand model of Hitler!?!? hahahaha, people like this French man should not be able to be found!, only people who support Saddam should even want to defend him...otherwise, you are just knowingly, trying to take away justice.
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:58 pm |
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Wow, Janeway! Nice and blunt and the overall truth!
Talk about a quick shock-and-awe. lol 
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Puck
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:03 pm |
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thank you sir..you have quite a few good posts yourself( at least I find them to be good )
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:13 am |
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how ironic is that the guy who is going to be Sadams lawyer is french FRENCH!!! well if history shows anything after first few minutes he'll give up and surrender.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 12:15 am |
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Funny...I would hope that he does!
How could anyone be a lawyer for him!?
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:47 am |
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dude see my post on one of your other topics
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:19 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | Funny...I would hope that he does!
How could anyone be a lawyer for him!? |
He's doing his job. Someone needs to do it. Saddam is a criminal, and he will be trialed like a crminal, and every criminal has the right for a lawyer.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:48 am |
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why a lawyer? in the old west if you did something wrong you would either be shot or hung I say we shoot him.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:00 am |
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This isn't the old west, Jeff.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:11 pm |
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Perhaps we should become the old west when dealing with terrorists.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:59 pm |
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Think of the rest of the worlds picture of the US, if we were to do that.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 10:41 pm |
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But really, who cares? I'd be more in shock if the guy stood up and praised Bush... This is to be expected.
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:25 am |
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why only deal with terrorest that way? there are a lot of people worse then them
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 10:11 am |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Perhaps we should become the old west when dealing with terrorists. |
I believe I have a good reason for why you should not do that:
It is not really civilized.
And how the world would view you if you did it: A bunch of trigger-happy, uneducated and uncivilized rednecks.
When dealing with Terrorists, I believe you mus be very clever and precise. And also diciplined and able to deliver justice in a fair way.
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 12:27 pm |
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The guys job is to make us look bad, and Saddam to look good, is it not? As my pastor said last night, "what did you expect the man to do, stand up and praise Bush?" He's being paid to get Saddam off, therefore, he has to make Bush look like a bad guy.
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 1:23 pm |
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Of course. That's the most effective way of defending Saddam.
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| Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:58 pm |
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | Perhaps we should become the old west when dealing with terrorists. |
I believe I have a good reason for why you should not do that:
It is not really civilized.
And how the world would view you if you did it: A bunch of trigger-happy, uneducated and uncivilized rednecks.
When dealing with Terrorists, I believe you mus be very clever and precise. And also diciplined and able to deliver justice in a fair way. |
You know, you are right. And I didn't, if you will believe me, mean that. I just DON'T like Terrorists and Evil dictators, and we would be seen as, well, the list you listed.
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