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| Quote: | Monday March 22, 02:32 PM
Israel missile strike kills Hamas chief
By Nidal al-Mughrabi
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GAZA (Reuters) - Israel has assassinated Hamas leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin outside a Gaza mosque, striking its heaviest blow against the Palestinian militant group behind dozens of suicide bombings and provoking vows of revenge.
Israeli security sources said Prime Minister Ariel Sharon personally ordered and monitored the helicopter attack on Monday on the paralysed cleric, whose wheelchair lay smashed in a pool of blood after three missiles exploded.
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It was the highest-profile assassination of a Palestinian since the April 1988 killing in Tunis of Palestinian commando chief Abu Jihad. At least seven other people died in the Gaza strike and two of Yassin's sons were among 15 wounded.
The attack on Yassin as he and his entourage left dawn prayers seemed to be aimed at weakening Hamas, a group seeking Israel's destruction, to prevent it from claiming victory should Sharon go ahead with a planned unilateral pullout from Gaza.
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"The state of Israel this morning hit the first and foremost leader of the Palestinian terrorist murderers," Sharon said in his first public comments on the killing.
"I want to make clear the war on terrorism is not over and will continue daily everywhere," he said in parliament.
But some Israelis, including a member of Sharon's cabinet, Arab leaders and many Middle East political analysts, said Yassin's death would only encourage militants to step up their attacks on the Jewish state.
Previous assassinations of militants have triggered waves of suicide bombings that have turned Israeli buses, restaurants and cafes into charred wrecks and deepened violence that has stalled a U.S.-backed peace "road map".
Former prime minister Shimon Peres, leader of Israel's main opposition Labour Party and an architect of interim peace deals with the Palestinians, criticised the decision to target Yassin.
"It could lead to an escalation of terror," he told reporters.
Hundreds of thousands of mourners poured out their grief in a funeral procession for Yassin and the other dead. It was the biggest show of support for a Palestinian leader since Yasser Arafat's triumphant entry into the Gaza Strip in 1994.
"Sharon, start preparing your body bags because (Hamas's) Qassam Brigades will put Israeli houses in mourning and make a funeral in every Israeli street," the crowd chanted.
Hamas accused the United States of having given Israel the green light to kill Yassin, but U.S. national security adviser Condoleezza Rice insisted in broadcast remarks: "The United States did not have advance warning.
"And let me say that Hamas is a terrorist organisation and Sheikh Yassin has probably been involved in a lot of terrorist activity himself but the key now is for the region to stay calm," she said.
YASSIN TOLD SON HE SOUGHT "MARTYRDOM"
After the first missile hit, a witness told Reuters: "I looked to see where Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was. He was lying on the ground and his wheelchair was destroyed. People there darted left and right. Then another two missiles landed."
Another one of Yassin's sons, Mohammed, told Reuters he had remarked to his father about three hours before the attack about an Israeli reconnaissance plane spotted in the sky.
"He said, 'We seek martyrdom....to Him (God) we belong and to Him we return'".
Israeli Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz, speaking to reporters, called Yassin "the Palestinian (Osama) bin Laden".
But a dissenting voice in the cabinet, Interior Minister Avraham Poraz, said Yassin -- Hamas's spiritual leader -- was not "a ticking bomb" and militants' revenge could cost many Israeli lives.
While espousing "armed struggle", Yassin's movement also ran a broad welfare network for Palestinians and he was seen by many in the West Bank and Gaza as a heroic symbol of resistance to Israeli occupation.
Officials in the Palestinian Authority called Yassin a moderating force in Hamas, an Islamic movement he co-founded in 1987 with encouragement from Israel, which hoped the new group would undercut its long-time enemy, PLO chief Arafat.
"It is a clear message to the world that the Israelis are not ready to sit with the Palestinians for peace," Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie told reporters after the killing, which he said "opened the door to chaos".
Eyes burning with tears and rage, mourners reached out to touch Yassin's Islamic flag-draped coffin. The flags of Palestinian factions flapped in the wind in a stark and dusty cemetery.
In the first sign of revenge within Israel, a Palestinian with an axe hurt three people outside an army base near Tel Aviv, Israeli police said. He was arrested.
In scenes recalling the start of a Palestinian uprising in September 2000, protests erupted in the West Bank and Gaza. Israeli forces killed three Palestinians, including an 11-year-old and at least one gunman.
The Israeli army sealed off the West Bank and Gaza Strip to stop any Palestinians entering Israel. The European Union criticised the "extra-judicial killing" but also recalled past EU condemnations of Hamas suicide bombings. |
Article taken from http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040322/325/ep6c4.html[/quote]
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Theresa
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| Tue Mar 23, 2004 9:23 pm |
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^Put the article in quotes, please.
And, WTG Israel.
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:13 pm |
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stupid unlawful killing, one terrorist attack for another, no wonder it is being condemned by by all the goverments- israel should be ashamed
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:26 pm |
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The Israeli attack was NOT a terrorist attack, you fool! I'm sorry, but...well, maybe I'm not.
Hamas and other anti-Jewish/anti-Isreali peoples, such as many Palistinians, killed tens of Israili's a week...And Hamas was a cruel group, murdering Israilis daily. They were a terrorist group, and to retaliate is what they should do.
I'm sorry, Eclipse, but that is something I cannot agree with.
Does Israel NOT have the right to defend itself and take preemptive action?
Wise up, sir.
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:30 pm |
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My theatre is doing a great show right now about the Isriel/Pakistan conflict. It's called, Dity Story. SO GOOD!!!
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:32 pm |
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Interesting...
Now, could someone, hopefully Mr. Eclipse, but anyone else, answer my question at all?
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:59 pm |
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Anyone?
Sorry, I forgot that I could edit...
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:50 pm |
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| eclipse8472 wrote: | | stupid unlawful killing, one terrorist attack for another, no wonder it is being condemned by by all the goverments- israel should be ashamed |
A very good example of uninformed posting. I love people who learn by osmosis, *sigh*
The Israeli's have been persecuted for thousands of years. I love how people can sympathize with the blacks here in America, yet condemn Israel. Tell me, how is it different? It's been proven beyond Biblical evidence that the Israeli's are now back where they rightfully belong, yet people still accuse them of terrorism, like the above post. From what I've seen, most of Israel's attacks have been retalitory, and military. It's the Palestinians who like blowing up school buses, and children. Even their own children. *Image of Palestinian holding her 15 year old son, crying, saying he was killed by the Israeli's.* *Next image, 15 year old Palestinian boy standing there with a vest of bombs* Am I the only one to see the contradiction? They use their children to kill children, and then cry murder if an Israeli missile goes off target...
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| Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:02 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | | eclipse8472 wrote: | | stupid unlawful killing, one terrorist attack for another, no wonder it is being condemned by by all the goverments- israel should be ashamed |
A very good example of uninformed posting. I love people who learn by osmosis, *sigh*
The Israeli's have been persecuted for thousands of years. I love how people can sympathize with the blacks here in America, yet condemn Israel. Tell me, how is it different? It's been proven beyond Biblical evidence that the Israeli's are now back where they rightfully belong, yet people still accuse them of terrorism, like the above post. From what I've seen, most of Israel's attacks have been retalitory, and military. It's the Palestinians who like blowing up school buses, and children. Even their own children. *Image of Palestinian holding her 15 year old son, crying, saying he was killed by the Israeli's.* *Next image, 15 year old Palestinian boy standing there with a vest of bombs* Am I the only one to see the contradiction? They use their children to kill children, and then cry murder if an Israeli missile goes off target... |
You speak truth yet again, Theresa.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:32 am |
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Pre-emptive strikes are dangerous, as they can be used as an excuse to attack anyone. "We had intelligence that they were going to attack us in the next billion years so we attacked them first" (OK, a bit exaggerated, but you get my point  ).
However, in certain circumstances they can be useful, after every option has been explored.
I believe that both Israel and the Palestinians are in the wrong, but the Palestinians seem to be worse. I'll just see how things go.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:22 am |
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oh come on we know theres going to be death but if we try we can stop some of it
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 5:28 am |
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uninformed, then why is it being condemned by the goverments why is that?, because it was wrong thats why, this is not going to stop the fighting, so in your on words then
anyway we are never going to agree Republican_Man, so I'll leave it there or this will just go on and on
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:29 am |
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^Again, you might want to inform yourself better. That was not a quote of mine, though it should have been.
And "other governments". Yeah, Middle Eastern governments and those who are profiting from them.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:24 pm |
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| eclipse8472 wrote: | uninformed, then why is it being condemned by the goverments why is that?, because it was wrong thats why, this is not going to stop the fighting, so in your on words then
anyway we are never going to agree Republican_Man, so I'll leave it there or this will just go on and on |
There are people who agree with me, so don't make such claims...And I somewhat appologize for "you fool!"
Now, I don't get why my government condemned it--Bush was wrong on that point. And of COURSE it won't stop the fighting, but it was NOT wrong. The Spiritual Leader led the brutal killings of HUNDREDS of innocent people--including children--and you're saying that Israel has NO RIGHT to defend itself? Explain that.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:50 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: |
A very good example of uninformed posting. I love people who learn by osmosis, *sigh*
The Israeli's have been persecuted for thousands of years. I love how people can sympathize with the blacks here in America, yet condemn Israel. Tell me, how is it different? |
1) American Blacks have never asked to create a seperate Afro-Centric state aside from Radical Groups like NOI, Marcus Garveyites etc- All attempts have resulted in Shambles e.g Liberia
2) Jews co-existed peacefully along with Palestinians for years while the Country was still known as Palestine and under Palestinian Rule.
3)"Many of the Israelis are not even Original Jews or descended from Hebrew people but are instead descended from converts to the Religion of Judaism"- (quoted from the Book "The American Search for Middle East Peace")
4) As long as Zionists are in control of the Government and ruling of Israel, Palestinians will never be able to build up a fully functioning Army and thus- must resort to Militant tactics.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 1:57 pm |
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Still, it is their Holy Land as well...It seems like there may (key word being may be a bunch of anti-semetic people here in these forums.
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | Still, it is their Holy Land as well...It seems like there may (key word being may be a bunch of anti-semetic people here in these forums. |
Ok I'm not accusing you of calling me anti-Semetic before we get off on the wrong foot.
but I'd like to inform people that I am not Anti-Semetic but I am against the founding of a Seperate state for Jews that means taking over Innocent peoples' land and the opression of the Palestinian Race. I'm completely open about that, I am also a Key contributor to Local "Boycott Israeli Goods" Campaigns as my old signature once showed.
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Okay, I may agree with that, but I don't think that they really OPPRESS, per say, the Palistinians.
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:23 pm |
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| Theresa wrote: | ^Again, you might want to inform yourself better. That was not a quote of mine, though it should have been.
And "other governments". Yeah, Middle Eastern governments and those who are profiting from them. |
You are wrong again, it was condemned by the UN/Many European Goverments, hardly a Middle Eastern governments I really doubt that they are profiting from them  time to inform yourself  , so why would they condemn it explain that?, well I will cause I maintain the stance that the attack was wrong and all if not the majority of goverments agree.
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| eclipse8472 wrote: |
You are wrong again, it was condemned by the UN/Many European Goverments, hardly a Middle Eastern governments I really doubt that they are profiting from them time to inform yourself , so why would they condemn it explain that?, well I will cause I maintain the stance that the attack was wrong and all if not the majority of goverments agree. |
I have seen nothing in the mainline media about Israel being condemned, except for those I mentioned. And nearly everyone makes money from the Middle Eastern countries, please, Most nations have always been against Israel, anti-semites, I believe they call you.
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It doesn't make me an antisemite because I disagree with your opinion, can I not have freedom of speech without being accused , none the less over here in the UK, we heard plenty of the condemnation of the attacks, doesn't that tell u something
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Now, I have nothing against Jews in any way, so don't go call me anti-semetic, because then I might lose my temper.
But, it is not right for any to simple make a new nation where an old one already is. This was Palestinian land before it was given to the Israeli. True, it is their Holy Land, as well, but if they wanted to go to their Holy Land, they could simply go to Palestine, or summat.
I do not support Israel. Oh, and I'll try to find some proof of these claims:
Hamas is not simply a "terrorist organization". They have schools, clinics and other good-natured services.
Now, I'm no expert in this subject, but I believe what Hamas is fighting for may be the right thing.
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | Hamas is not simply a "terrorist organization". They have schools, clinics and other good-natured services.
Now, I'm no expert in this subject, but I believe what Hamas is fighting for may be the right thing. |
Yep you're right, Hamas is a Palestinian Liberation organisation. Before the Militant Wing was founded it had no affiliation with Terrorism, and the Organisation as a whole is not a Terrorist group.
| Theresa wrote: | | most nations have always been against Israel, anti-semites, I believe they call you. |
The correct term is Anti-Zionist, most of the ones I know even have Jewish Relatives, Opposing Israel does not make one an anti-Semite but an Anti-Zionist or Anti-Israeli.
Anti-Semite= Xenophobic or Prejudice towards the Religion of Judaism, or the Hebrew Race.
Anti-Zionist- Opposes the Israeli occupation of Palestine.
Anti-Israeli- Xenophobia or Prejudice towards people whose Nationality is Israeli.
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| Captain Dappet wrote: | Now, I have nothing against Jews in any way, so don't go call me anti-semetic, because then I might lose my temper.
But, it is not right for any to simple make a new nation where an old one already is. This was Palestinian land before it was given to the Israeli. True, it is their Holy Land, as well, but if they wanted to go to their Holy Land, they could simply go to Palestine, or summat.
I do not support Israel. Oh, and I'll try to find some proof of these claims:
Hamas is not simply a "terrorist organization". They have schools, clinics and other good-natured services.
Now, I'm no expert in this subject, but I believe what Hamas is fighting for may be the right thing. |
Then if we can't call you an anti-semite, why have I been labeld a RACIST by several Liberals for wanting a crackdown on Illegal Immigration? Plus, that is DEFINITELY an anti-semite comment...
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| Thu Apr 01, 2004 3:29 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | that is DEFINITELY an anti-semite comment... |
Tell me where is any referance to the Judaism Faith or Hebrew Race in that Statement, No where therefore it is safe to deduce that statement is not Anti-Semetic.
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