Malcolm X/Racism/Whatever

[Theresa]

Ok, for 11 years, the man teaches that ALL white people are devils. He changes his mind, and for the last few months of his life teaches "world brotherhood", something already being said by others, for example, Martin Luther King Jr. Can someone explain to me why this man is the icon he is today?
I mean, if a white person went around right now, and said that whites are superior, he'd be branded a racist.
Another thing I don't understand; black slavery is the worst thing humanity has ever done to itself? I find that incredibly hard to believe. That seems to me to be extreme arrogance. What about the massive oppression of women? Women in the US couldn't vote until several years after blacks were allowed to. Look at Muslim women. They can't drive in some countries, they aren't allowed in public without a man, and they can't even sit in the front seat of the car, even when there are only two people in it. The woman must sit in back. Oh, and lets not forget, the husband, father or brother, any male member of the family, is allowed to beat the woman for "stepping out of line", which in that society could be anything. Beat them until death, even. I'd think that sounds pretty damn bad myself. You can try to excuse that away by saying, "oh, that's their religion", but that doesn't wash, either. If the woman were allowed to think for herself w/out repercussion, do you honestly think that's the life she'd chose?
And how about Britain's dealings with Scotland, or even Ireland? Throughout history there have been slaves. Whites owning whites, blacks owning blacks. How easy it is to overlook that. It's not right in any case, but it still amazes me how that over 100 years later, blacks are still looking for restitution. You find me one living slave, and I'll say support them for the rest of their lives, hell, let them drive a Benz if they want. But their children who grew up free? And their grand children and so on? No. Work to make yourself better. So what you have to start out pumping gas, or working at McDonalds. It's a job. An honest job.
The local Indians here are currently pissed at the state. They don't think that they should have to pay for any health care. Can't quite figure that one out. Don't have to pay taxes to the government, yet they want that same government to turn around and give them free medical care? Sounds fair,

[Theresa]

I most obviously digressed at the end, but surely you can see my point. Each man controls his own destiny. I, for one, choose not be a victim.

[Leo Wyatt]

I agree with you.

[Kyre]

I can't see why you'd choose to talk about the troubles between England and Scotland. That happened about 500 years ago. I'm sure you can understand how different the world was then.

In Britian now people are afraid to say pretty much anything related to foreigners, lest they be flamed to kingdom come by the minorities. Now, I don't for one nanosecond support racism. But when freedom of speech is impaired because you're frightened to 'upset' a portion of your population, then there's something wrong.

In Britain now, there are minority groups complaining about alot of things. I don't mind that they're here; to tell you the truth I love the fact that Britain welcomes practically anyone, so long as they're prepared to earn a living. I just wish they'd give us our freedom of speech.

A TV presenter called Robery Kilroy-Silk was sacked from his job that he'd done for years, because he wrote an article about the Middle Eastern peoples. I can understand the reaction to it, but this same article had been printed months earlier, and had caused no uprising whatsoever.

It's crazy.

[Theresa]

You'll notice I didn't expound upon England and Scotland, merely made mention of it, and moved on. I'm sure every country has something they are ashamed of, and you'll have to excuse me thinking of that,the USA channel is showing "Braveheart" all week, so naturally it's one of the first examples to come to mind.
What gets me is that reverse racism is deemed ok. A college in the US recently had a student start a scholarship for whites only. The student who started it is himself not white. He did it to prove a point. It worked. If I called a black man a *beep*, I'd be an ignorant, backward redneck. If I were referred to as a cracker, it'd be a joke. I don't understand that. I'm all for equality. EQUALITY.

[Leo Wyatt]

I agree.

[Pah-Wraith]

El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz is respected because he later rejected Racism as the result of a Religious Experience. Malik stepped down and admitted that he was responsible for the Conversion of Thousands of Afro-Americans into the Xenophobic Organisation the Nation of Islam, which before Travelling to Makkah, Malik believed was the True Religion.

Malik travelled to Makkah were he realised that Islam did not encourage segregation but Instead it encouraged Brotherhood of All Races. Malik is respected as a Positive Role-Model to many because he shows that people can change their attitudes in life. I've read his Auto-Biography and after the Up-bringing he had, one could hardly blame him for the Statements he originally made against both Jews and Caucasians (Like Many Neo-Nazi Skinheads, Farrakhanists and Fascists Today, Malcolm had a disturbed Background which Resulted in his Extremist Attitude) However the thing that can be said about Malik is he changed his Attitude and admitted he was wrong.

I also reject beliefs of Pacifism, so I would tend to lean more towards the Ideals of Malcolm X.

As for his "So-Called Followers" like Farrakhan, and Malik Zulu Shabazz they are just People who want to live off the Mistakes the previous generations of Americans made. The Nation of Islam serves no purpose, Elijah Muhammad's Son even told the World that Elijah Muhammad was a Fraud and a Racist False-Prophet.

[Sam Kenobi]

[T. Dean]

It was Malcolm's denouncement of the racist Nation Of Islam that led to his assassination. The media has always tried to portray revolutionary black leaders as a threat. The media made the Black Panther Party seem like the black equivelant of the Ku Klux Klan, avoiding the fact that internationalism and unity of all proletatians across color line were important doctrines within their Marxist ideology. When Martin Luther King spoke out against the Vietnam War, the media portrayed him as a subversive coward (fortunately for the media this has been nearly forgotten). Unfortunately for Malcolm X, he supplied them with plenty of ammunition.

[Pah-Wraith]

[Theresa]

I'm quite sure that's not what he was referring to. First you have reverse discrimination, and then you have whites discriminating each other on behalf of other cultures. Everyone wants peace, but they all also want to b*tch. Pick one.

[Pah-Wraith]

Yeah, I know what you mean; It's even worse being Mixed you don't know whether either side is discriminating against you

[Pah-Wraith]

http://www.newblackpanther.com/nbpp.html

on the topic of Racists check out these Guys, obviously want more benefits or something came across it when I looked up some info on "Huey Newton" for my History Essay

[Sam Kenobi]

[Theresa]

Darling, who started the topic?
I'm saying we can't have total equality with everyone constantly pointing out our differences. Marlon's skin is black, mine is white, so what? I don't understand how people think that honestly means anything.

[Sam Kenobi]

ok, sorry

I agree. there's always the differences that you're going to notice, about race, culture skin color, whatever. some people take that "notcing" as some form of racism or prejudice, when it's really just fact. people look different, so deal. Some people have to take it way out of proportion which takes racism and prejudice and discrimination to a whole new level.

[Leo Wyatt]

We all are one race, which is the human race. Why do white and blacks have to fight. Once we all realize that love and not hate then this world would be a better place. I have nothing against black people, I do respect everyt different race. But black people will not let the past go.. They keep it stirred up if they can not get their way. They keep reminding us how us white people slaved them. But they don't realize when those white people die, They will have to answer to God. So I say turn the other cheek. It may be hard. Ya'll might not agree with me and I don't want to start no arguement. I have black friends that feel the same way.
THey don't look at the past. They look towards the future. Yes some white people can be mean, down right mean I agree with that. If we could all just get along, the world will be a better place. God made us all, black, white, Mexican, Chinese, Japanese. German, Iltalians. Everybody.

I don't understand the hate. Love is the key.

[Sam Kenobi]

[Jeremy]

I find quite a lot of white people I know here in the UK are actually quite racist. Most of the time though they hide it up behind a pretence. I was listening to the radio about 10 one night and they were talking about assylum seekers. Everyone who was on almost was either complaining about them taking "our" jobs. If they weren't saying that they were complaining that they just sit about and do nothing. That's arguing the opposites. If they did nothing then they should work, but if they work they take out jobs. I think that would be obvious. In a way I'm racist, as when I see a coloured person I think "They are coloured" but I don't think of them any different because of that, so in a sense it doesn't matter. It's also quite good in a sense as a lot of people say that it is good to appreciate the difference between people.

[Theresa]

Noticing something about someone isn't racist, it's being observant. I look at Marlon and see he's black. That's as far as the thought goes. Usually it doesn't even warrant a conscious thought, it's just a fact about him that I know.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Some people are so anti-racist that they think if you look at someone and notice their colour then you are racist. If some people here are like that then I thought they might like to know that.

[Sam Kenobi]

^ exactly. A lot of the problem, though, comes from people who takes that observation not as racism, but as prejudice. Someone who is black may think "oh, they said I'm black, so along with that comes their obvious thought to all the baggage I carry because I'm black" Just as I may think the same way when someone of another color or race observes that I'm white.

[Pah-Wraith]

[Leo Wyatt]

I don't think you get what I am saying do you? We all one race, the human race. Color doesn't matter and it should not. Black people should not keep the past brought up cause what's done is done. We all should realize God made us all equal. Love one another instead of hating each other. I don't see color cause I am not racist. If I was, I would not have any black friends. My friends have let the past go so why can't other people? I know some people can be mean but turn the other cheek and ignore them. Let God handle them.

[Pah-Wraith]