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IntrepedII
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^ there is not faster then warp 10 its INFINITE, infinite + 1 is still infinite 
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Kyle Reese
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| Wed Feb 25, 2004 8:16 pm |
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| Mulder wrote: | | Faster than warp 10 is possible. Traveling at warp 10, 20, 30 etc, is infinite speed but everything between is possible. |
I heard that was Transwarp or somethin...
and BTW that's still not faster 
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EnsignParis
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| Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:07 am |
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| Mulder wrote: | | Faster than warp 10 is possible. Traveling at warp 10, 20, 30 etc, is infinite speed but everything between is possible. |
Anything between 10-20 is not faster than warp 10, it only has a higher warp label, for example 11 is greater than 10, but Warp 10 is faster than Warp 11.
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Kyre
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| Sun Feb 29, 2004 9:22 pm |
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Just take a bus.
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Tsuki no Hikari
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| Tue Mar 02, 2004 12:09 am |
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Well, like the topic says, OVER warp 10 is possible. Faster than infinity is impossible, but warp 11 restarts finite speed - around the speed of warp 9.9994. The same happens with warp 21, 31, etc. They exceed the warp levels of infinite velocity, but not the velocities. Riker's command of warp 13 in Q's fake reality would have given a speed of some 67,000x light speed. A shame Voyager didn't have a warp drive like that. They could have made the trip home in about 2 years.
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Monkey
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| Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:52 am |
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the thing is different ships have different factors: like borg cube go up to warp 30 before infinite velocity and most but not all of federation ships only have 10
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Iqqe
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| Tsuki no Hikari wrote: | | A shame Voyager didn't have a warp drive like that. They could have made the trip home in about 2 years. |
Don't you remember? The enhanced warp drive the copies of Voyagers crew developed under the episode "Course Oblivion" on season 5? With those enhancements to their warp drive they were able to go 45000 lightyears in 2 years and 2 months. But they all died because the subspace radiation destroyed their structure on their copied bodies so they were never able to give those enhancements to the real Voyager crew.
Now concerning warp 10 and infinite speed. I agree with the rest of you here about that warp 10 is infinite but not warp 11. In the TNG episode "Where no one's gone before" the alien on Enterprise took the ship into most impressive speeds. Data reported "Sir, We are accelerating above warp 10". And after a few seconds they've gone about 3 million lightyears from the alphaquadrant. As he said, "we are accelerating above warp 10.." that means not infinite, and if should had been infinite it should not had taken any time at all to travel to that position.
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Darkened-Shinobi
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| Mon May 24, 2004 2:19 pm |
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There are 2 scales for Warp, I know one of them, it's the one that Warp 10 is Infinite Velocity... you are everywhere and nowhere... Though you can stop where you want (that's what I know...)
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voyager123456789
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| Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:54 am |
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I think that in "All Good Things",they reconfiqured the warp scale.
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Five - seveN
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You really don't wanna know it is notnotNOT possible, eh? When in a wormhole you don't at all travel using a warp. You travel using some kind of hole in *I don't know what this is in English, in Dutch it would be spacetime, but let's call it subspace for now.*. Travelling using a warp means you let subspace shrink in front of you and expand behind you. So you actually aren't moving at all, at least not when you compare it to your direct surroundings.
This means that you can't even compare "warping" and travelling through a wormhole! Clear now?
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Five - seveN
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| Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:28 am |
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*that was a reaction to the people who think a wormhol is "faster" than Warp 10
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Mustkillbret
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| Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:18 pm |
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(by the way) in the other scale i think (in AGT) Warp 20 is warp 10 and warp 13 is around warp 9.99795 or something close
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Daemonzi
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| Quote: | | The original Constitution -class Starship Enterprise had a cruising speed of warp factor 6, and could reach warp 8 only with significant danger to the ship itself. (�Arena� [TOS]). The ship nevertheless reached warp 11 in 2267 when modified by Nomad to increase engine efficiency by 57 percent. (�The Changeling� [TOS]). The Kelvans were also successful in modifying the ship�s engines to reach warp 11. (�By Any Other Name� [TOS]). The ship reached warp 14.1 in 2268 when the warp engines were sabotoged by Losira. (�That Which Survives� [TOS]). In 2284, Starfleet conducted a series of unsuccessful tests on an experimental transwarp propulsion system that would have dramatically increased the the speed of warp drive systems. (Star Trek III: The Search for Spock). By the 24th century, a new warp-factor scale was in use that employed an asymptotic curve, placing warp 10 as an infinite value. Under the new scale, the Galaxy -class Enterprise -D had a normal cruising speed of warp 6 (392 times light speed, about warp 7.3 under the old system), and a maximum normal velocity of warp 9.2 (about 1649 times light speed, equivalent to about warp 11.8 in the �old� system). In 2370, following the formation of a massive subspace rift within the Hekaras Corridor, the Federation Council agreed that the use of warp fields posed a significant threat to some areas of space. Therefore the Council decreed that some areas would be limited to essential travel only. Furthermore, the Council imposed a Federation-wide �speed limit� of warp 5, which could only be exceeded in times of extreme emergency. (�Force of Nature� [TNG]). Later advances in Federation warp drive technology permitted the use of speeds exceeding warp 5. One of the first ships to be so equipped was the Intrepid -class U.S.S. Voyager, whose variable-geometry warp drive nacelles prevented damage to the subspace continuum. (�Caretaker, Parts I and II� [VGR]). The original Star Trek series occasionally had ships and other objects traveling at warp 10 or faster. At the beginning of Star Trek: The Next Generation, Gene Roddenberry said he wanted to change the warp-speed scale to put warp 10 at the absolute top of the scale. We therefore assume that the warp scale has been recalibrated so that all the speeds shown in the original show are �actually� less than warp 10. Interestingly, the original Star Trek series never established actual speeds for warp factors in any episode or movie, although the old warp factor cubed formula has come to be generally accepted. A temporary upper limit for warp speed travel was established in �Force of Nature� (TNG), when speeds exceeding warp 5 were found to cause dangerous damage to the space-time continuum. This speed limit was abandoned a couple of years later when it was assumed that newer Federation starships (like the U.S.S. Voyager and the new Defiant) had improved, environmentally friendly warp drive systems that did not cause damage to the spatial continuum. In the final televised episode of The Next Generation, both the U.S.S. Pasteur and the Enterprise -D were ordered to use �warp 13.� This may yet another recalibration of the warp curve, although it is not clear if this will happen in the �real� Star Trek timeline, since that future was a fabrication of Q. It is also possible that this alludes to some kind of implementation of transwarp drive, as seen in �Threshold� |
Also warp 10 is transwarp and so greater than 10 is not achievable. They also say that the episode �Threshold� [VGR] had a lot of mistakes in it and that if you don't understand anything then it can be ignored, for warp 10 requires infinite amounts of power and cannot be achieved by use of conventional warp technology. Transwarp however bends the space time continuum so that the origin and destination points meet, then creating a gap through the layers into each other.
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sunrisetrekkie
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lionhead
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 9:54 am Re: Over Warp 10 is possible |
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| borgslayer wrote: | On The Next Generation's last episode All good things Part II
The Olympic Class Hospital Ship of Captain Beverly Crusher could go at warp 13.
Admiral Riker ship a modified Galaxy Class might also go at that speed since it has 3 warp drives. |
yes, actually Transwarp can go over warp 39, super warp from episode 'equinox' of voyager goes over the warp 10 boundary. Slipstream too of course and then there is Hyper warp, which is the fastest i believe.
Warp doesn't mean the speed, its just a type of way too make speed.
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Mustkillbret
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| Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:05 am Re: Over Warp 10 is possible |
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| borgslayer wrote: | On The Next Generation's last episode All good things Part II
The Olympic Class Hospital Ship of Captain Beverly Crusher could go at warp 13.
Admiral Riker ship a modified Galaxy Class might also go at that speed since it has 3 warp drives. |
it doesnt make it any faster, its like having 18 wheels on your car, the ride would probably be smoother, but not faster 
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starnova
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| Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:10 pm |
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that is so true but the warp necalles provide power for the whole ship and with a thrid one on it might also power a seacond warp core so maybe?
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Founder
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| Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:36 pm |
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It is possible to go over Warp 10. It was done in an episode of TNG. When Q sent them to the Delta Quadrant wasn't it going over Warp 10. I think what VOY did was stupid making Warp 10 the fastest. TOS movies also used higher than Warp 10. Then Paris was able to be anywhere just at Warp 10. That ruined and undermined the other shoes idea about warp. Transwarp and slipstream becomes this weird blur because of it now. 
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starnova
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| Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:38 pm |
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i think that they should have made all the facts connect with the other series.
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Founder
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| Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:40 pm |
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| starnova wrote: | | i think that they should have made all the facts connect with the other series. |
Agreed. This is ENT all over again.
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gul Lemek III.
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:11 am |
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I think they just reconfigured the scale. I mean, a captain can't say:
"Helm, set a course to the nearest inhabited galaxy, Warp 9.999999999999999999999999975"
That would sound funny, wouldn't it? So he just says: "Warp 15", for instance, even though they are still under the Warp of 10. And Warp speed rises exponentialy, that means, that for instance Warp 9.99975 is 200% slower than Warp 9.99976.
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Founder
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:28 am |
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Thats a good theory gul  . You're probably right. I wish the writers would be as smart as you and make some mention of that you know?
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Sonic74205
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:40 am Re: Over Warp 10 is possible |
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| borgslayer wrote: | On The Next Generation's last episode All good things Part II
The Olympic Class Hospital Ship of Captain Beverly Crusher could go at warp 13.
Admiral Riker ship a modified Galaxy Class might also go at that speed since it has 3 warp drives. |
That was a completely different timeline. Therfore, many things are different. So no, over warp 10 is not possible. Warp 10 Is infinite velocity. It also causes the human rate of evolution to rise. Thats why they didn't modify voyager to travel at warp 10 because the crew would have evolved so humans are not ready for warp 10.
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starnova
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| Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:54 am |
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or by then since its the future they might have made a better warp scale.
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lionhead
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| Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:51 am |
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travelling AT warp 10 is not possible, travelling OVER warp 10 is.
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