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sabertooth1217
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 Fri Feb 20, 2004 7:43 pm History Being Rewritten? |
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| Quote: | | Quote: | As some of you may seem Neo made a very good point in another thread about how Enterprise was re writing all of history. To keep on Topic, i have made this to finsihed the talk out.
| Quote: | | Hmmm should we have the crew encounter races from the TOS for continuity or expand on their WEAK relationship with the Vulcans? Or how about the war that was supposed to be fought between the humans and Klingons during their first encounter? Oh wait we turned that into a "happy" first contact. What will we do next week? I know! The crew is going to be tested by a nearly omnipotent alien named......R! Why are we so brilliant!? Why isnt this show doing better? Oh yeah..... |
| Quote: | [QUOTE=NeoIsTheOne,Feb 18 2004, 02:58 AM] I hate this! What is the deal with this? We all know this was done on Voyager. Why are they rehashing old ideas?
Hmmm should we have the crew encounter races from the TOS for continuity or expand on their WEAK relationship with the Vulcans? Or how about the war that was supposed to be fought between the humans and Klingons during their first encounter? Oh wait we turned that into a "happy" first contact. What will we do next week? I know! The crew is going to be tested by a nearly omnipotent alien named......R! Why are we so brilliant!? Why isnt this show doing better? Oh yeah..... |
That is true in many levels. Rick Berman is Rewriting star Trek History in every episode. There not much we can do about it but watch the show and supprt star trek so it doesnt get canceled. If ENT goes off the air, it may be the end of Star Trek Forever! |
| Quote: | Berman and Braga dont seem to be handling the show that well. They did Voyager as well correct? That was good. Im not saying ENT is bad, I just cant stand how they are butchering the continuity! Thats why unless you can be 100% accurate or close to it, you shouldnt bother. Back-history for something tends to be better on books. We could have had a show dealing with a new crew during the ent, voy, DS9 era. There can be so much potential there with the new tech. Voyager brought home. It would obviously be a time of rebuilding from the Dominion war and Voyager's return. I like the prequal idea but not if they are going to mess up things so badly. Didn't Picard say that the prime directive is so strict about FC is because they had messed things up BADLY with the klingons? They went to war over it and stayed enemies throughout the TOS era. So much potential was right there in that little statement. We could have had a war throughout the second season while the first one was mainly about exploration. Why are the Vulcans so unimportant? *sigh*
I got WAY off-topic here. Sorry. Uh....I cant wait for the episode too.   |
| Quote: | | fact of the matter is, it is a very good issue. The worse thing that i would have to say about how Rick Berman has destroyed trek is how he protrays the Klingons. IN both TOS and DS9 they shows the klingons not having ridges on there forhead. In one episode of Ds9 (forgive mebut i dont know the episode name) it shows Sisko and Worf goiong back in TOS time with tribbles. There was klingons there like on TOS. That is the worse flaw that there is! i bugs the hell out of me each and every time. |
| Code: | | Trials and Tribulations is the name of the episode I believe. I know exactly what you mean. Although I dont like the look of the old Klingons. I know they dont want to explain it, which is fine to keep a little mystery. They should at least make a reference to it! Although why didn't Kirk ever ask about the way they looked considering the fact a generation ago, the captain of the first Enterprise is bringing a Klingon home! I thought we were just supposed to pertend the old ones looked like the new ones but then Worf made that remark to Odo about "how they dont ever talk about it." Continiuty please! |
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This came from my Forum, great topic. So i though i would share it.
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Knuckles
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| Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:29 pm |
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braga has never seen an episode of TOS
i dont think hes watched 95% of the episodes he produced.
enterprise is really good at continuality within the series (2nd only to DS9), but really bad at the other 500 hours of star trek history.
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imzadi76
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| Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:41 am |
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I agree. He needs to do some more homework.
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hdn
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| Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:03 pm |
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Take it or leave it, but don't stay around to whine about why you didn't take it. Your loss.
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imzadi76
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| Tue Feb 24, 2004 4:37 pm |
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In 'Balance of Terror,' the first Romulan episode, don't they refer to a long bloody war with the Romulans using 'primitive nuclear weapons' and 'no viewscreens'?
Let me know if I'm crazy 
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tom_88_2
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| Tue Feb 24, 2004 10:51 pm |
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| hdn wrote: | | Take it or leave it, but don't stay around to whine about why you didn't take it. Your loss. |
i think u are 100% right
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CaptJD
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| Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:55 am |
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Although you make a good point I would just like to say that if Enterprise followed all the guidlines set by TOS then we would be seeing all different Alien races and all different technology. So if we weren't going to change a few things along the way we would end up with a show we wouldn't be able to call Star Trek simply because it would have nothing to do with star trek. So like he said "Take it or leave it", no ones forcing you too watch it.
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hdn
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| Sun Mar 07, 2004 1:31 pm |
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HOMERUN!
I was actually listening to The Strokes - Take It Or Leave It, so I felt inspired 
*EDIT*
Sorry for bringing up an old post, didn't look at the last posting date.
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1/1
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| Sun Mar 07, 2004 3:03 pm |
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I don't think history is being rewriten as such but it is an alternate history - the history when Cochrane met the Borg from First contact which in turn changed everything else so its another possibilty of a history. Thats my explanation for the continuity problems but its a pretty crap one.
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Superman
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| Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:29 pm |
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The following opinion is probably going to make me unpopular but here it is anyway...
I don't care about continuity. Not as much as some fans on other Trek sites seem to. What is important to me is that I enjoy it. And right now, I'm enjoying Enterprise. I've just watched the episode "Regeneration" with The Borg. I don't care what discrepancies the episode has in regards to the Trek timeline. It was an incredibly tense episode with plenty of action and a great plot.
Here's my thoughts on ENT and the whole timeline/continuity issue...
1.) From some comments I've seen on other sites, people expect ENT to adhere 101% to Trek continuity. Well, I'm sorry but it's not an ideal world. If ENT adhered to continuity, the writers would have to watch EVERY episode of TOS, TNG, DSN, VOY and the ten movies. Which would be impossible.
On a related note, what about comic books? I've been reading them for years. Sometimes, I'll read a story and notice a continuity error. But I don't care. Writers come and go. I read a comic once where Superman recognized some robot that he had NEVER encountered. But I enjoyed the story so let it go.
Trek has been running on and off since 1966. You simply cannot adhere to continuity.
2.) Do minor continuity errors really matter? I can understand how some would annoy fans. For example, if the Cardassians or Ferengi suddenly showed up on ENT, I'd be a little puzzled and think it was a bad decision. But overall, I don't care if ENT wants to rewrite history a little. As long as they don't rewrite everything, I'm not bothered at all.
3.) The weakest arguments, on some Trek sites, concern ENT technology. I've heard comments such as 'this shouldn't exist in Archer's time' or 'no way would Enterprise have this piece of technology.' I'm sorry but if some fans can only concentrate on such minor matters, then no wonder they're not enjoying Ent.
Please realize, this is not a personal attack on any of you. And I know there are some people who dislike ENT because they think it's a weak show or boring. If that's the case-fine.
But I really cannot understand fans not enjoying it because a little bit of history has been rewritten or a piece of technology exists in the show which shouldn't exist.
Finally, I'm a fan of Batman. He's been around since 1939. Obviously, I haven't been following his adventures since 1939 (I'm not that old). History has been rewritten MORE than once in the Batman universe. But I've always stuck with it because of good storytelling. If I'd worried about continuity, I'd have given up on Batman years ago.
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Puck
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| Sun Mar 07, 2004 6:35 pm |
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JanewayIsHott applauds the above post. I feel the same way.
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Superman
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| Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:12 pm |
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Thanks, JanewayIsHott.
I was expecting to be ripped apart for my comments. I said the same thing on one site and was abused by one man who threw every swear word he could at me.
I just want to get on with enjoying the series rather than worrying whether ENT is sticking to continuity.
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Superman
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| Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:18 pm |
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I forgot to mention, the argument about ENT and continuity echoes an argument from years ago about the DC Comics character, Superboy.
In the original Superman comics, Superman didn't adopt his superhero guise until he was an adult. Then, he went out to fight crime.
Then, in the 40's, DC wanted to capitalize on the success of Superman so they gave us Superboy who made his debut in More Fun Comics #101. Superboy's adventures were about a high school Clark Kent before he was Superman.
Opinion on it was split 50/50.
Some people enjoyed the new Superboy adventures even though, officially, there had never been a Superboy. And the stories were a lot of fun, believe me...
Other people hated it that DC had introduced the adventures of a young Superman. People said things such as 'Superman never had the suit as a boy' or 'Superman was never Superboy'.
Me, I just enjoyed the adventures.
It's probably a bad analogy but I believe it has similarities with "Enterprise".
Besides, it's been such a long time since I've watched episodes of TOS, TNG, DSN and VOY that I'm not likely to notice any Enterprise discrepancies.
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