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Mulder
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 Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:06 am Bush's Vietnam-era military records fail to satisfy critics |
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What do you think about this?
I think he's a coward, he didn't fight himself but now he sends his men into death. But that's just my opinion.
| Quote: | Bush's Vietnam-era military records fail to satisfy critics
US President George W Bush was absent for long periods of his final two years of National Guard duty but met service requirements, according to new records cited by the White House in an effort to refute accusations he shirked Vietnam War-era military obligations.
"These documents clearly show that the president fulfilled his duties," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said on Tuesday during a contentious press briefing as he sought to quell a controversy over whether Mr Bush skipped Guard duty.
The issue has sidetracked Mr Bush's team as his re-election effort gets under way.
Mr McClellan said the White House learned on Monday that pay and service records had been found that documented Mr Bush's service as an F-102 jet pilot in the Texas Air National Guard, which is part of the US part-time military system.
"He [Bush] completed his military obligation in a satisfactory manner," retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Albert Lloyd, a personnel specialist, said in a written description of the records that was also issued by the White House.
Although the records, some of which had been previously released, were not fully legible, Lloyd said they reflected that Bush earned the required number of service points.
The documents show long gaps in Mr Bush's Guard service, from May through late October 1972, and mid-January through early April 1973.
Mr Bush spent part of the fall of 1972 working on a political campaign in Alabama, but he performed "equivalent duty" while out of Texas, Mr McClellan said.
The records show Mr Bush earned service points and was paid for duty in late-October and November of 1972, but officials could not specify which dates he served in Alabama. They also could not explain the gap in 1973.
The records may not end the controversy.
The Democratic Party said in a statement, "There is still no evidence that George W Bush showed up for duty as ordered while in Alabama."
It noted an evaluation report from superiors in Texas said Mr Bush had not been "observed" from April 1972 to May 1973.
The White House later said the evaluation reflected that Mr Bush was no longer serving as pilot during that period, but that Mr Bush recalled serving in a "non-flying status".
Mr Bush left, with an honourable discharge, eight months shy of the obligatory six years' service on October 1, 1973, to attend Harvard Business School.
The heaviest Guard service in his last two years came in July 1973, when he was paid for 19 days.
The National Guard and reserves, rarely called up during the Vietnam War, came to be regarded as "draft havens for relatively affluent young white men," the Air National Guard says in a history on its Internet site.
In an NBC interview broadcast on Sunday, Mr Bush acknowledged he had not volunteered for the "political war" in Vietnam, but said he supported the government and would have gone had his Guard unit been called.
"I put in my time, proudly so," he said.
Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, front-runner in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination who volunteered for and was decorated for his duty in Vietnam, has said Mr Bush should answer questions over his military record.
He declined to comment on the new records, saying: "It's not my story. It's not my question."
Mr Bush's team has responded aggressively to the criticisms that could tarnish the president's portrayal of himself as a "war president" leading the country in a fight against global terrorism.
Mr McClellan said the payroll records were proof of Bush's service. Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen, writing of his own Guard service, said: "For two years or so, I played a perfectly legal form of hooky. To show you what a mess the Guard was at the time, I even got paid for all the meetings I missed."
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
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| Sun Feb 15, 2004 11:23 am |
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Serving in the National Guard makes you a coward... I must write and tell my friends in Iraq that. Both of whom are National Guard, btw. And being scared doesn't make you a coward.
Clinton, on the other hand, running to Canada, that makes you a coward.
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Kate Janeway
Rear Admiral
Joined: 11 Mar 2002
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| Sun Feb 15, 2004 12:25 pm |
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^What she said.
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Puck
The Texan
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| Sun Feb 15, 2004 3:52 pm |
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I must first let you know that I have read his autobiography, and he did actually try to join a program to go over to Vietnam and help in the Air Force. Also, why don't you try checking out Kerry's war, and post-war record. It is much more worriesome to me than Bush's is.
Edited: I also must ask if cowards run for president, and second if cowards get elected.
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imzadi76
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Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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| Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:07 am |
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Not a coward, but definitely a 'Fortunite Son.' Man was born with a whole set of silver spoons in his ass.
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Los
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| Mon Feb 16, 2004 2:28 am |
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So Bush isn't a regular Kennedy, saving people dying on a PT boat. Come on, the military man doesn't make a better president than a civilian man. Why does the issue have to surround what he or she has or hasn't done in the army? Bush has done a great deal for Texas and moreover, the US. That cannot be denied. Use that track record, how he's been fairing as of late instead of the issues the dealt with when he was thirty years younger and not the president of the US.
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Puck
The Texan
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| Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:59 pm |
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| imzadi76 wrote: | | Not a coward, but definitely a 'Fortunite Son.' Man was born with a whole set of silver spoons in his ass. |
Nearly all politians are fortunatly born, or become very fortunate in life.
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Theresa
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| Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:22 am |
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| Quote: | The standard rap against Bush is that he was ducking combat by joining the Guard. Actually, the Texas Air Guard had a program called Palace Alert that allowed pilots to volunteer for flight time in Vietnam. Three of Bush's fellow pilots�Udell, Woodfin and Fred Bradley�recalled to NEWSWEEK that Bush inquired with the base commander about signing up for Palace Alert. He was told no; he had too few flying hours at the time and his plane, the F-102, was by then deemed obsolete for air combat.
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Source: Newsweek.com
Kerry was born with a "silver spoon up his ass", too. (never heard it put quite that way before...) When the VVAW tried to get ahold of him, "Master Kerry is not home right now". Also from Newsweek.com.
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Puck
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| Fri Feb 20, 2004 6:19 pm |
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THANK YOU! Can you send me a website with this article.
I am in young Republicans at my school and we will soon be having a debate with the young democrats. I have known this but have not been able to find it to prove it.
Thnx.
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Theresa
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| Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:31 pm |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4271520/
Or just buy the issue of Newsweek w/ Bush and Kerry on the cover.
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Los
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| Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:23 pm |
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Master Kerry...
LMAO.
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