Weapons, tactics and suchlike

[Coyote_finn]

I was directed here by some people on B3ta, who were getting upset with my questions.

Honestly I thought that there would be a star trek fan or two on there.

As I am not a star trek fan, but find myself being forced to watch it when other people want it on.

I have some questions about the whole weapons malarkey.

Right it is the year 3000 or whatever, they seem to be able to beam people and make food, equipment etc out of nothing.

Yet their weapons are useless in a combat situation.
I was watching some episode of DS9 and they were taking on those ugly guys with the big heads, I think they are called Jemmardar or somthing like that.

The Humans had a great defensive postion and the uglies charged them in a pack with plenty of warning they were on their way.

Then the ray guns or whatever they are called were fired and immediatly gave away where the humans were hiding.

They only took one ugly out at a time and seemed to have a very slow fire rate.

If the humans had taken a couple of automatic rifles or even a ww1 machine gun, said uglies would have been taken out in a matter of seconds.

As a result uglies were able to charge humans uphill and kill a fair few.

Brings me to that film about the Borg.

They walk down corridors and make no attempt to get out of the way.

They adapt to the ray guns and then become unstoppable.

However patrick stewart took some out with a tommy gun.

That alien with the big head who acts like a viking or somthing takes them on with his gothy sword and wins.

They all seemed to have an issue with how limited their rayguns were.

So why did'nt they just go and make some machine guns with their stuff making machines and shoot all of the borg dead.

Even a few pikes or spears would have been more effective.

Again it brings me to the point that they have this so effective technology but when it comes to war they are not very good at it.

Hell, most human technology seems to be making more effective ways of killing each other, even if they don't like to make war any more they must have come across better weaponary along the way.

[Coyote_finn]

oh and dont say anything about the borg adapting to machine guns, surely they already would have adapted to swords and being thrown about.

I realise those ray guns shoot some kind of energy/light beam.

And it does not explain how bad they have become at tactics, despite having all human history, ie Napoleon, Julius caeser, gengis khan and every great generals notes etc at their disposal.

[IntrepedII]

you are correct on most aspects, but you have to take in account that the federation is not a warlike orginazation, they do carry and make weapons but they are for their own protection and are also not made with the purpose of killing as effectively possible, they are made with the intention of stunning/disabeling without the letality of it + a federation phaser has more uses then simply being a defence weapon, its more like a universal tool, they can use it to lit fires, digging tunnels, heck they can even make a forcefield with it.

So when you say that the weaponry isnt very effective i agree, just remember it wasnt made for the sole purpose of killing.

in answer of yer borg question, the tommy gun used by picard was used inside the holodeck--> outside the holodeck the weapon would disappear

the alien with the big head ak 'Worf' is a klingon and their strength is superiour to that of a human, meaning he has more of a chance to defeat a borg in hand to hand, remember that the physical strenght of a borg also alot greater is then that of a human ...

in closing, remember thats its a tv show so there are bound to be a few mistakes out there, try to overlook them and just enjoy the show

[Captain CB]

if you ask me phasors are far morer effective

i mean can a pistol vaporize rock and can a pike stun people

so there a phasor is better

[Coyote_finn]

well a phaser is usless then.

Wh40k describes a war against aliens who have thier soul intention to destroy the human race.

I have seen ds9 and stng or whatever the hell it is called and that fat man with the beard, and patrick stewart have defeated kilgons bear handed.

Basically the trekkies have realised that thier weapons idea is pathetic.

Personally given free reign with a few aks and a gmpg I could take over the enterprise and then go on to defeat some borg.

you have not indicated why their ray guns are any more effective than a ww1 machine gun or why they are so crap at military tactics.

no wonder the jemmadar and the ferengi kick seven bells of *beep* out of the human.

[Coyote_finn]

bollocks to stunning people,
the whole point of a pike is to kill the bastard before they kill you.

Check.
Bosina 1994

basically star trek has no idea. at least wh40k has a reasonalble Idea of how humans are with aliens and aliens are with humans.

[Coyote_finn]

oh and jedI?

I fight for the Irish navy,
I will see you in vallhalla.

[IntrepedII]

err yeah ok, whatever byeee

[Captain CB]

[Achilles]

[imzadi76]

One thing that always bothered me about the phasers is that sometimes they use features that they never mention in other episodes.

Phasers are supposed to have a wide range setting - it's been used in several episodes to knock out whole roomfulls of people. They very seldom use or mention this feature of the phaser. why?

There's also been incidents where they used the ships' phasers to knock out whole city blocks of people. I remember then using this feature in the TOS episode "A Piece of the Action."

Anybody else recall any instances of wide-range phaser use?

[Captain Digness]

I have the answer for you and its a genius one. Due to the gravitational forces of spce a bullet wouldn't work so phasr is needed.

[imzadi76]

bullets and explosives would work great in space, probably even better than they do on Earth because there's no air or gravity to pull the bullet off course, and explosives (like gunpowder) make their own oxygen (that's why some things explode instead of burn!)

[webtaz99]

[Monkey]

i don't know what you mean with your wh40k and stuff i'm going now

[Sonic74205]

[imzadi76]