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imzadi76
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 Wed Feb 04, 2004 2:07 pm Q gave humanity a fighting chance against the borg |
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Everybody in the Trek universe blames Q for introducing us to the borg and almost getting humanity destroyed, but I think Q helped Earth more than anyone realized.
TNG, 1st season - Q transports the Enterprise deep into the alpha quadrant, where it meets a Borg cube and gets it's clock cleaned.
TNG, 3rd season - A Borg cube arrives in Sector 001 and attempts to assimilate Earth. Picard is transformed in Locutis, a 'bridge between humanity and the borg.'
Enterprise, 2nd season - Borg drones left on earth (from first contact) are revived, assimilate humans, and call for help from somewhere in the Delta Quadrant. The message is expected to take about 200 years to reach it's destination.
I believe the cube that came to assimilate Earth in 'Best of Both Worlds' had already been on it's way to Earth years before Q brought Picard's Enterprise to meet the borg. It left in responce to the message sent by the drones in the Enterprise episode. Q actually gave Starfleet time to develop a strategy to counter the Borg threat.
Pretty neat, huh? Let me know what you think of my reasoning.
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John Connor
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| Wed Feb 04, 2004 9:08 pm |
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Thats pretty darn cool and thanx for the info. I was wondering when he showed up.
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IntrepedII
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| Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:09 am Re: Q gave humanity a fighting chance against the borg |
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| imzadi76 wrote: | Everybody in the Trek universe blames Q for introducing us to the borg and almost getting humanity destroyed, but I think Q helped Earth more than anyone realized.
TNG, 1st season - Q transports the Enterprise deep into the alpha quadrant, where it meets a Borg cube and gets it's clock cleaned.
TNG, 3rd season - A Borg cube arrives in Sector 001 and attempts to assimilate Earth. Picard is transformed in Locutis, a 'bridge between humanity and the borg.'
Enterprise, 2nd season - Borg drones left on earth (from first contact) are revived, assimilate humans, and call for help from somewhere in the Delta Quadrant. The message is expected to take about 200 years to reach it's destination.
I believe the cube that came to assimilate Earth in 'Best of Both Worlds' had already been on it's way to Earth years before Q brought Picard's Enterprise to meet the borg. It left in responce to the message sent by the drones in the Enterprise episode. Q actually gave Starfleet time to develop a strategy to counter the Borg threat.
Pretty neat, huh? Let me know what you think of my reasoning. |
hmm, i dont completely agree, wether or not Q would have introduced humans with the borg, results would have been approx the same, Q gave them a chance ro prepare for a borg attack you say, well look at wolf 359, it didnt actually did much good now did it, when you make a timeloop of borg encounters and events that lead to anohter, the episode where Q introduces the borg can be easely be left out since
1) the borg cube was already on its way to earth (message enterprise ep)
2) other then that the borg r evil they(federation) didnt learn much
there are prolly other explanations, but i can't think of any atm.
i'm looking forward to some feedback 
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Javel, the Sorcerer
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| Thu Feb 05, 2004 9:30 am |
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Those are both very interesting points. You all got me thinking.
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imzadi76
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| Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:47 pm Re: Q gave humanity a fighting chance against the borg |
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| IntrepedII wrote: |
hmm, i dont completely agree, wether or not Q would have introduced humans with the borg, results would have been approx the same, Q gave them a chance ro prepare for a borg attack you say, well look at wolf 359, it didnt actually did much good now did it, when you make a timeloop of borg encounters and events that lead to anohter, the episode where Q introduces the borg can be easely be left out since
1) the borg cube was already on its way to earth (message enterprise ep)
2) other then that the borg r evil they(federation) didnt learn much
there are prolly other explanations, but i can't think of any atm.
i'm looking forward to some feedback |
Without the telemetry and sensor data that was gathered when Q brought the Enterprise to the borg the Federation might not have even noticed the signature of the borg cube on it's way to Earth. Also, I think that learning that all the Federation's weapons were ineffective against the borg ships made a big difference in the way the Federation responded to the borg threat in 'best of both worlds.' If they hadn't known anything about the borg, the Federation probably would have just sent one or two ships to investigate the cube instead of amassing the entire fleet at Wolf 359. The Federation was forewarned, and therefore forearmed.
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IntrepedII
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| Thu Feb 05, 2004 5:04 pm Re: Q gave humanity a fighting chance against the borg |
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| imzadi76 wrote: | | IntrepedII wrote: |
hmm, i dont completely agree, wether or not Q would have introduced humans with the borg, results would have been approx the same, Q gave them a chance ro prepare for a borg attack you say, well look at wolf 359, it didnt actually did much good now did it, when you make a timeloop of borg encounters and events that lead to anohter, the episode where Q introduces the borg can be easely be left out since
1) the borg cube was already on its way to earth (message enterprise ep)
2) other then that the borg r evil they(federation) didnt learn much
there are prolly other explanations, but i can't think of any atm.
i'm looking forward to some feedback |
Without the telemetry and sensor data that was gathered when Q brought the Enterprise to the borg the Federation might not have even noticed the signature of the borg cube on it's way to Earth. Also, I think that learning that all the Federation's weapons were ineffective against the borg ships made a big difference in the way the Federation responded to the borg threat in 'best of both worlds.' If they hadn't known anything about the borg, the Federation probably would have just sent one or two ships to investigate the cube instead of amassing the entire fleet at Wolf 359. The Federation was forewarned, and therefore forearmed. |
yep instead of 50+ ships they would have send 2, so instead of losing 50+ ships its crew they would have lost only 2 with the same ending as result 
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| Fri Feb 06, 2004 11:59 am |
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^ And the rest of the ships that had not been sent would all be spread out and much easier to destroy.
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IntrepedII
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| Fri Feb 06, 2004 5:35 pm |
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^ could it be even easier?
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Thomas
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| Sat Feb 07, 2004 6:08 am |
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If the Federation sent only 2 ships to investigate this unknown ship heading towards Earth, the other 48 (or whatever the number is) would not be gathered together in a fleet as they were at Wolf 359, they'd be spread out and easier for the Borg to dispose of. Also, is it just a coincidence that the only Federation ship that had previously encountered the Borg were able to halt their approach and destroy them? I'm sure they wouldn't have been quite as successful if they had no experience with, or tactical data on the Borg whatsoever.
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IntrepedII
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| Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:35 pm |
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how did they destroy that cube anyway? (never saw that ep)
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Thomas
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| Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:40 pm |
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I can't actually remember... didn't they use Picard/Locutus to "put them to sleep"?  Something like that.
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IntrepedII
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| Sat Feb 07, 2004 1:50 pm |
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why did they chose picard in the first place?
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Thomas
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| Sat Feb 07, 2004 2:09 pm |
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The Borg had assimilated him... can't remember how that came about exactly. The Enterprise then managed to get him back aboard and as they were puzzling over how to defeat the Borg cube, Picard said, "Sleep, Data". Data, unlike the others, correctly assumed that Picard was telling them they could put the Borg to sleep through him.
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IntrepedII
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| Sat Feb 07, 2004 2:15 pm |
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so basicly they were very lucky
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imzadi76
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| Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:04 pm |
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How about very smart?
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