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Puck
The Texan
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Was I the only one to see partial nudity when Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake finished there song? If not, was that supposed to happen.
Plus disgusted how kid rock wore an American flag, he cut a whole in it, descration of the flag....Uhhhhhhhhh do people have no morales!!!!!!
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Ronevick
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Location: (609), New Jersey
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| Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:05 pm |
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Yoyoyo, chill out. I watched that too and from what I saw there was no nudity, and even if there was im sure it was accidental. Also, because he cut up a flag so he could wear it as a symbol of his love of his country doesnt mean that Kid Rock has no morales. 
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Puck
The Texan
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| Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:09 pm |
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i guess I see your point, the nudity, was kinda funny, shouda seen the look on her face!
still, dont like the cutting the flag, there gotta be somethin more tasteful
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Ronevick
The King
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| Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:10 pm |
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^Ya.....he could've worn an American flag top hat! 
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Theresa
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| Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:38 pm |
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Cutting and WEARING the flag is against the law.
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Puck
The Texan
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| Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:42 pm |
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exactly! it is desecration of the flag! that what Im pissed over!
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Ronevick
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| Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:57 pm |
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How is it illegal to wear a flag; it's just a form of expression. And obviously it's not illegal since he did it on national television.
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Theresa
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| Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:02 pm |
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| Ronevick wrote: | | How is it illegal to wear a flag; it's just a form of expression. And obviously it's not illegal since he did it on national television. |
Dude, it's in the CONSTITUTION! It's illegal!. I don't care WHERE he did it.
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Theresa
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| Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:11 pm |
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| Quote: | Sec. 3. - Use of flag for advertising purposes; mutilation of flag
Any person who, within the District of Columbia, in any manner, for exhibition or display, shall place or cause to be placed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, drawing, or any advertisement of any nature upon any flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America; or shall expose or cause to be exposed to public view any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign upon which shall have been printed, painted, or otherwise placed, or to which shall be attached, appended, affixed, or annexed any word, figure, mark, picture, design, or drawing, or any advertisement of any nature; or who, within the District of Columbia, shall manufacture, sell, expose for sale, or to public view, or give away or have in possession for sale, or to be given away or for use for any purpose, any article or substance being an article of merchandise, or a receptacle for merchandise or article or thing for carrying or transporting merchandise, upon which shall have been printed, painted, attached, or otherwise placed a representation of any such flag, standard, colors, or ensign, to advertise, call attention to, decorate, mark, or distinguish the article or substance on which so placed shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $100 or by imprisonment for not more than thirty days, or both, in the discretion of the court. The words ''flag, standard, colors, or ensign'', as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.
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http://suvcw.org/flag.htm
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LightningBoy
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| Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:51 am |
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| Maquis74656 wrote: | | Cutting and WEARING the flag is against the law. |
No, it's actually not. (Not my opinion, just stating the facts, please don't get mad at me...) Most states have laws, which have all been deemed unconstitutional by the supreme court case of Texas v. Johnson(http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=491&invol=397), where the ruling was "We do not consecrate the flag by punishing its desecration, for in doing so we dilute the freedom that this cherished emblem represents."
It was defended again in the case of US v. Eichman(http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=search&court=US&case=/us/496/310.html) where the ruling was "Punishing desecration of the flag dilutes the very freedom that makes this emblem so revered, and worth revering.".
In terms of the law, you can do whatever you want to your flag. (although I do honestly think that should be changed...)
Kid Rock, though, is a good man. Beleive it or not, he is a very patriotic American, and probably meant more to bring attention to the flag, than to desicrate it.
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Theresa
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Yeah, I forgot about all that burning *beep*.
Needless to say he offended alot. My aunt was career Navy,and used to be a Kid Rock fan. (And no, she's not the only one pissed, I was in six different chats last night, and that, and JJ's nipple, were the main topics, not even the game itself, which was fantastic).
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PicardsTrueLove
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| Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:19 am |
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The game was awesome!! I don't even LIKE football and I had a great time. But the scene at halftime was just ridiculous: they said it was a "wardrobe malfunction" but I don't buy it. It was just gross: how degraded women are!! Anyway....I wasn't impressed with the ads this time either lol. They just weren't that great.
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Theresa
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| Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:22 am |
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I liked the soap one, and the Bud Light dog.
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Dirt
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| Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:53 pm |
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Kid Rock looked cool!
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Puck
The Texan
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| Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:00 pm |
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I dont care how he looked, he cut an American flag. I find that disrespectful and disgusting.
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Trekkie617
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The Today show or whatever it was said that it was not meant to come totally off but did. I didn't watch hardly any of it so I don't care, I don't care much about the NFL. Oh well.
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Captain Skyline
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 theres no big deal in the american flag thing...if someone did that to the union jack it wouldnt mean a thing to me...but i still love my country.
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Dirt
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| Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:21 am |
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | I dont care how he looked, he cut an American flag. I find that disrespectful and disgusting. |
Oh boohoo he cut up your flag  , silly yankees!
for the haters out there, I AM KIDDING!
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Jeff Miller
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| JanewayIsHott wrote: | | exactly! it is desecration of the flag! that what Im pissed over! |
dude stop spazing its just a flag you act like its the Holy Grail. If it was against the law to wear a flag Im pretty sure that all the magazines that takes pictures of people wearing the flag would get in trouble.
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DemonClassY
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| Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:57 am |
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i think that that was suppose to happen because even at the end of the song the lyrics are "I'm gonna have you naked by the end of this song." It kind of fits so i think so. 
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Defiant
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OK, about the whole Timberlake / Jackson thing. Totally planned. Justin Timberlake wouldnt have the balls to do that on stage, besides that she had a star on. Think about it.
Second, Kid Rock is a celebrity. Even if it was against the law, he would be able to get away with it, because he is a celebrity. Besides, he would probably have some weird way to justify it, like 'it was a cape with the flag on it' or something like that.
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Jadzia Lenara Dax
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| Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:08 pm |
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| Ronevick wrote: | | How is it illegal to wear a flag; it's just a form of expression. And obviously it's not illegal since he did it on national television. |
A lot of things happen on national television that aren't sanctioned by authority. Just because it's on national television doesn't mean it necessarily legal.
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Theresa
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| Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:15 pm |
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The flag is more than just colored cloth, It's too bad no one here understands that.
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Captain Dappet
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| Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:22 pm |
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I understand it. I would get furious if someone did that to my country's flag. I wouldnt mind people wearing it, thats okay, but cutting it open is just...wrong, somehow.
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Defiant
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| Tue Feb 03, 2004 12:23 pm |
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| Maquis74656 wrote: | | The flag is more than just colored cloth, It's too bad no one here understands that. |
I think the concept of the flag was extremely distorted with 9/11. Every jackass in the US put a flag on their car, and thought they were the biggest patriot in the world, and it meant absolutely nothing. Stores sold flags by the case load to these people, and that meant nothing. The true meaning of the flag stands for honor, valor, and a strong civilization of people dedicated to whats good and true, and so many people distort that or ruin that, its not even funny.
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