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5thhouse Rear Admiral
Joined: 05 May 2002 Posts: 3842 Location: Santa Barbara, California
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Sun May 12, 2002 7:14 pm Explosions |
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To my knowlege things can not explode in space, space is a vacume with almost no oxygen, how chould something explode?
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lord_picard Captain
Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 713
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Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:38 pm |
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because it is usualy a special explosion, which involves things like anti mater
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Voy_Girl Admiral
Joined: 07 Jan 2002 Posts: 8302 Location: Fair Haven
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Wed Mar 12, 2003 3:31 pm |
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^
Has to be something like that, I guess.
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EnsignParis Lieutenant Commander
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Wed Mar 12, 2003 7:32 pm |
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It's just for effects really...there would be a flash because of the oxygen kept on the ship, but there wouldn't be an explosion like you would see in an atmosphere.
Just adds to the show, there's no scientific backing to it.
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Zeke Zabertini Captain
Joined: 13 Sep 2002 Posts: 4832
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Wed Mar 12, 2003 10:11 pm |
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True, but things would still definately explode, with or without the trademark fireball.
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Vortex Squeak Attack
Joined: 19 Jun 2002 Posts: 7170 Location: The Edge
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Wed Mar 12, 2003 10:39 pm |
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the propulsion system used nowadays has a fuel and an oxygen tank. Fuel doesn't burn without oxygen. So believe me if both were to mix in space a hell of an explosion would happen.
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EnsignParis Lieutenant Commander
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Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:25 am |
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Vortex wrote: | the propulsion system used nowadays has a fuel and an oxygen tank. Fuel doesn't burn without oxygen. So believe me if both were to mix in space a hell of an explosion would happen. |
But it would be gone in a flash, because there would be no oxygen besides the oxygen in the ship to fuel the explosion any further.
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Link, the Hero of Time Vice Admiral
Joined: 15 Sep 2001 Posts: 5581 Location: Kokori Forest, Hyrule
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Thu Mar 13, 2003 9:35 am |
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yes there would. In an explosion, everything is pushed outwards. this includes oxygen and fuel, because they need to disperse before anything like space sucks it up into nothing. you'd see one heck of a fire ball if a starship exploded.
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Captain Skyline Vice Admiral
Joined: 09 Aug 2001 Posts: 6646 Location: UK
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Fri Mar 14, 2003 10:18 am |
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This may sound stupid but i thought as the ship explodes, the oxygon is released from the enterior of the ship, thus causing an explosion because Oxygon is present.
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002 Posts: 4779 Location: Hobart, Australia.
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Fri Mar 14, 2003 10:37 am |
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^Yep, I agree.
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webtaz99 Commodore
Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Posts: 1229 Location: The Other Side
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Fri Nov 14, 2003 8:21 pm Explosions in space |
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Due to vacuum, explosions in space are much less damaging.
On earth most of the damage of an explosion comes from the concussion effects. This depends on air to transfer forces.
In space only the material that is exploding can transfer force.
And I hate to scare some of you, but stars explode.
Seriously, they do.
In fact, they all do, eventually.
Sorry about that.
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mr_glyn Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 253 Location: Kent, UK
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Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:29 am |
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think about a space shuttle today. what would happen if it went bang... Same priniciable
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Hitomi Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 08 Nov 2002 Posts: 274 Location: The Mystic Moon
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Thu Dec 04, 2003 11:19 pm |
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although the current space shuttles dont carry nearly as much oxygen as the star trek ships do. Just about all the liquid oxygen they use as fuel is used up upon launch. They'd probably only go bang and throw lots of pieces everywhere, but it's doubtfull that they would make a fireball.
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Lt.BirdGod Captain
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 619 Location: Sol System, 3rd planet from the Sun
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Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:46 pm Re: Explosions in space |
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webtaz99 wrote: | Due to vacuum, explosions in space are much less damaging.
On earth most of the damage of an explosion comes from the concussion effects. This depends on air to transfer forces.
In space only the material that is exploding can transfer force.
And I hate to scare some of you, but stars explode.
Seriously, they do.
In fact, they all do, eventually.
Sorry about that. |
Nah, we already knew that
But, although, wouldn't that particle dispersion be too great at the instant of expulsion? I mean, yes, it takes time for the particles to shoot out, but wouldn't most of them be lost in the vacuum of space?
And yes, a starship would cause a helluva bang. Mass amount of Matter + Mass amount of Anti-Matter = *blinky blinky blinky*
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EnsignParis Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 07 Sep 2001 Posts: 257
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:34 am Re: Explosions in space |
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Lt.BirdGod wrote: | webtaz99 wrote: | Due to vacuum, explosions in space are much less damaging.
On earth most of the damage of an explosion comes from the concussion effects. This depends on air to transfer forces.
In space only the material that is exploding can transfer force.
And I hate to scare some of you, but stars explode.
Seriously, they do.
In fact, they all do, eventually.
Sorry about that. |
Nah, we already knew that
But, although, wouldn't that particle dispersion be too great at the instant of expulsion? I mean, yes, it takes time for the particles to shoot out, but wouldn't most of them be lost in the vacuum of space?
And yes, a starship would cause a helluva bang. Mass amount of Matter + Mass amount of Anti-Matter = *blinky blinky blinky* |
Oh, it would release a TON of energy, but once all the oxygen on the ship was used up, then thats the end of the fireball, because oxygen NEEDS to be present for fire to happen.
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Link Commodore
Joined: 07 Jun 2003 Posts: 1258 Location: Alberta, Canada
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Sat Dec 06, 2003 1:47 pm Re: Explosions in space |
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EnsignParis wrote: | Lt.BirdGod wrote: | webtaz99 wrote: | Due to vacuum, explosions in space are much less damaging.
On earth most of the damage of an explosion comes from the concussion effects. This depends on air to transfer forces.
In space only the material that is exploding can transfer force.
And I hate to scare some of you, but stars explode.
Seriously, they do.
In fact, they all do, eventually.
Sorry about that. |
Nah, we already knew that
But, although, wouldn't that particle dispersion be too great at the instant of expulsion? I mean, yes, it takes time for the particles to shoot out, but wouldn't most of them be lost in the vacuum of space?
And yes, a starship would cause a helluva bang. Mass amount of Matter + Mass amount of Anti-Matter = *blinky blinky blinky* |
Oh, it would release a TON of energy, but once all the oxygen on the ship was used up, then thats the end of the fireball, because oxygen NEEDS to be present for fire to happen. |
Not neccesarily,because oxygen is fuel.
So is matter antimatter.
How do you think fusion reactors work?
They are vaccume sealed, no oxygen.
But they still work, because there is other fuel present[/b]
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Lt.BirdGod Captain
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 619 Location: Sol System, 3rd planet from the Sun
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Hmmmmm. This is true.
So it would be like a chemical fire. Powered by the chemical itself, burning off of it, and can burn in any location.
Yeah, that makes sense.
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Link Commodore
Joined: 07 Jun 2003 Posts: 1258 Location: Alberta, Canada
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Cause i thought of it..
lol
not really...
but yes, the other fuel would be what is burning.
Though there is one flaw in star trek.
Their flames are red and yellow.
that is from a normal earth like fire.
But a matter/antimatter/plasma/any other chemicals fire would most likely be a diffrent color...
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stv12 Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 337
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lol, maybe blue?
I've pondered on this myself, and come to a conclusion that an explosion in space works the same way as a star burns in space. Pure chemical fire fueling it, no oxygen required...or at least i think so...
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Whitehero Senior Cadet
Joined: 30 Jul 2003 Posts: 28 Location: New Brunswick, Canada
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Lets say that oxygen is released. If it isn't consumed by any fire, it has to be sucked out into space where it disperses. However, how far would it disapate to? Would it totally disperse so that any volume of air in space would be evenly distributed throughout the universe? Because if space is a vaccume and would normally suck air out into it, wouldn't other parts of space want some of it to?
Think about it, every part of space is a vaccume. So wouldn't that assume that space is trying to suck stuff outta other parts of space because face it, we don't know how fast the dispersed air would travel in a vaccume or even where the air would go.
There's another question. Where would the oxygen go to after being sucked out into space?
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webtaz99 Commodore
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Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:36 pm Vacuum vs pressure |
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Most people don't understand this, but there is no such thing as "suction".
What really happens is that something at a place where the pressure is higher tries to move to a place where the pressure is lower. This may seem like nit-picking, but it becomes relevant when you consider the "vacuum" of space.
Space is (mostly) empty, so any material under pressure will try to occupy that (empty) space.
Gasses "sucked out" into space will slowly dissipate the point where there are a few atoms/molecules per cubic meter (the current density of "empty" space). Given enough time the "solar wind" will "blow" the atoms/molecules out into interstellar space. From there, who knows?
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