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J_Unit
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 08 Sep 2001
Posts: 98
Location: Delta 4
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 Tue Sep 11, 2001 12:34 pm |
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Kirk fits the hero archetype mold better, although, Picard kind of represents that old world sea faring explorer (with just a dash of elizibethian gay player, not that its a bad thing  )
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Dax Orien
Helmsman
Joined: 24 Aug 2001
Posts: 856
Location: My own little hell.
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| Tue Sep 11, 2001 6:07 pm |
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 cool respond
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"Let's all sing the 'Doom Song'!" ~~~ Gir
"Gir, it's been nice working with you, now self-destruct."
"FINALLY!"
Conversation between Zim and Gir in the episode entitled "Dibs Wonderful Life"
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001
Posts: 27256
Location: United States of America
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| Thu Sep 20, 2001 10:55 pm |
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Kirks crew gained confidence just by looking at him. Picards went blind looking at him.
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Natira
The Cute One
Joined: 15 Jul 2001
Posts: 5407
Location: Wrapped around Bella's little finger!
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| Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:21 am |
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On 2001-08-28 14:51, Dax Orien wrote:
I think Picard rules. I'm sort of a brain so I guess his reasoning is cooler, but if you noticed he was pretty strong too! 
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Dax, did you read my post above? If Picard is so "smart" then why didnt he wait til they were all ready and keep everyone safe? Maybe he just wanted more credit??? Or maybe he just isnt logical, or both?
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Thomas
Pool Princess
Joined: 08 Jul 2001
Posts: 19730
Location: Manchester
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| Fri Sep 21, 2001 10:34 am |
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How about this:
Data: 50000 Romulan Warbirds just decloaked off our Port bow.
Picard: Hail the lead vessel.
Worf: No response, they are charging weapons.
Picard: Ahhhhh!!!!!! Number One you have The Bridge, I'm heading for my Ready Room!
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SECTION_31_TYR
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 13 Sep 2001
Posts: 76
Location: the shadows
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| Fri Sep 21, 2001 11:28 am |
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Kirk one word: BALLS!
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Thomas
Pool Princess
Joined: 08 Jul 2001
Posts: 19730
Location: Manchester
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| Thu Sep 27, 2001 2:22 am |
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Kirk is the hard man of the Federation, Picard is the peace-loving hero.
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Link, the Hero of Time
Vice Admiral
Joined: 15 Sep 2001
Posts: 5581
Location: Kokori Forest, Hyrule
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| Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:03 pm |
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i think both are evenly matched. both defied orders, only 1 got demoted in rank... Kirk. both make peace where it is needed and both kick some serious as* whenever posible
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001
Posts: 27256
Location: United States of America
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| Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:23 pm |
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Only one had the guts enough to obey orders enough to get reduced in rank. I don't think Picard would have sacrificed his Captaincy. What Kirk did was selfless.
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Lindley
Vice Admiral
Joined: 18 Sep 2001
Posts: 6194
Location: Fairfax, VA
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| Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:28 pm |
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Um...Kirk was reduced TO captain, not from it.
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001
Posts: 27256
Location: United States of America
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| Fri Oct 05, 2001 10:31 pm |
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On 2001-10-05 22:28, Lindley wrote:
Um...Kirk was reduced TO captain, not from it.
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I know, but Picard was never an Admiral, so I couldn't very well say "lose his Admiralty", now could I? It was just a basis of comparison.
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Thomas
Pool Princess
Joined: 08 Jul 2001
Posts: 19730
Location: Manchester
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| Sat Oct 06, 2001 12:13 pm |
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Well Kirk was smart at times.
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Link, the Hero of Time
Vice Admiral
Joined: 15 Sep 2001
Posts: 5581
Location: Kokori Forest, Hyrule
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| Sat Oct 06, 2001 1:17 pm |
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" at times " being the key word. Picard was smart all the time.he made sure his decisions were rational and when he need help, he sought it
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001
Posts: 27256
Location: United States of America
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| Sun Oct 07, 2001 12:48 am |
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I just watched several TNG episodes this past week, and I noticed something. Picard rarely acted without first looking to Riker. Kirk would sometimes ask Spock, but he wasn't as dependant upon him as Picard was Riker. Kirk could think on his feet, Picard would have to sit down and think, and work out all of the angles before he could act; and of course, by then, he'd be dead.
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Link, the Hero of Time
Vice Admiral
Joined: 15 Sep 2001
Posts: 5581
Location: Kokori Forest, Hyrule
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| Mon Oct 08, 2001 9:21 am |
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but still Picard would make a rational decision, but if he couldn't he'd go to Guinian
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001
Posts: 27256
Location: United States of America
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| Mon Oct 08, 2001 11:11 pm |
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On 2001-10-08 09:21, Link, the Hero of Time wrote:
but still Picard would make a rational decision, but if he couldn't he'd go to Guinian
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In only one episode did Kirk ever make an irrational decision, to chase the cloud creature, and he took all the blame for that. Picard was king of passing the buck.
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eyirs
Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Oct 2001
Posts: 196
Location: Dying Stars of Vector Quadrant
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| Sat Oct 27, 2001 3:16 am |
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well like Worf is for Ricker Data is for Picard both captin and first officer have their own choice of backup.
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EMH-Robert Picardo
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 08 Dec 2001
Posts: 107
Location: SICKBAY
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| Sun Dec 09, 2001 10:49 pm |
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KIRK
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Link, the Hero of Time
Vice Admiral
Joined: 15 Sep 2001
Posts: 5581
Location: Kokori Forest, Hyrule
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| Tue Dec 11, 2001 4:35 pm |
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On 2001-09-21 11:28, SECTION_31_TYR wrote:
Kirk one word: BALLS!
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da*n right
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Captain Kurn (KDF)
Junior Cadet
Joined: 14 Dec 2001
Posts: 16
Location: Klingon Battle Squadron
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| Sat Dec 15, 2001 8:26 pm |
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I like them both, but Kirk was my favorite!!!
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Scapegoat Bob
Commodore
Joined: 02 Sep 2001
Posts: 1198
Location: The Barn
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| Sat Dec 15, 2001 10:10 pm |
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We took a vote. KIRK
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Scapegoat Bob
Commodore
Joined: 02 Sep 2001
Posts: 1198
Location: The Barn
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| Sat Dec 15, 2001 11:35 pm |
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Well, 1% wanted Janeway...that stupid "majority rules" thing.
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One of One
Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 16 Dec 2001
Posts: 33
Location: 29th Century
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| Mon Dec 17, 2001 11:33 pm |
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As the Klingons would say at the Homeworld: KIRK , KIRK ,KIRK, KIRK, KIRK, KIRK, KIRK, KIRK, KIRK!!! 
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Link, the Hero of Time
Vice Admiral
Joined: 15 Sep 2001
Posts: 5581
Location: Kokori Forest, Hyrule
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| Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:05 pm |
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i think that the klingons would say his name followed by a not so nice name... he did after all screw them over many, many times
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Jeff Miller
Fleet Admiral
Joined: 22 Nov 2001
Posts: 23947
Location: Mental Ward for the Mentaly Unstable 6th floor, Saint John's 1615 Delaware Longview Washington 98632
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| Thu Dec 20, 2001 1:56 am |
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Kirk would go midevil.
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