ENT messes up again

sabertooth1217 · **Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:37 pm ENT messes up again**

star trek it self has messed up. in the old days of tos there was no ridges on there faces. but before that in ent they did. its another history change by the ent folks.

IntrepidIsMe · **Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:43 pm**

Ridges on who's faces, the Klingons? And I think we have already confirmed Enterprise has errors.

Los · **Mon Sep 15, 2003 5:54 pm**

welcome to last year.

_OPS_ · Senior Cadet Joined: 29 Aug 2003 Posts: 26 Location: UK

does not suprise me one bit...berman is a fu**ing *beep* head!

Lindley · **Mon Sep 15, 2003 7:27 pm**

There is no gaseous body large enough to be the Expanse within 50 lightyears of Earth.

Big enough flub for ya?

hdn · Lieutenant Joined: 31 Jul 2003 Posts: 163 Location: Sweden

I think that you are whining about unimportant things. Personally I don't care if the Klingons wasn't suppose to have ridges in ENT, because for me it doesn't make the show any worse.

Just so that all of you will know what I think about ENT in general:

10/10

The Delta Flyer · **Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:56 pm**

I think that if you disregard all the previous Star Trek shows and "un-know" what you know about the Trek universe, the series could be reasonably decent...

sabertooth1217 · **Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:42 pm**

welcoem to last year? i just started to really watch the show.

Los · **Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:12 pm**

sad... sad little man...

Damn Tulsans.

sabertooth1217 · **Wed Sep 17, 2003 5:48 pm**

im not sad lol im happy!

Capt.Rene D'Hondt · **Wed Sep 17, 2003 8:35 pm**

Guys u have to Remember the temperal Cold War screwed up the timeline.Remeber in broken bow were a SULIBAN was chasing that Klingon.That was cuz of the Temperal COld War.Maybe BandB will do something to erase the TCW and everything will be bck to normal in the timeline?

Lindley · **Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:30 pm**

Captain Michael Pike · Captain Joined: 14 Jul 2001 Posts: 597 Location: PA

[quote="Lindley"][quote="Capt.Rene D'Hondt"]Guys u have to Remember the temperal Cold War screwed up the timeline.Remeber in broken bow were a SULIBAN was chasing that Klingon.That was cuz of the Temperal COld War.Maybe BandB will do something to erase the TCW and everything will be bck to normal in the timeline?[/quote]

You mean, making the entire show pointless?

Yup, that would go over well.[/quote]

That'd be Enterprise for ya!

Captain Michael Pike · Captain Joined: 14 Jul 2001 Posts: 597 Location: PA

[quote="The Delta Flyer"]I think that if you disregard all the previous Star Trek shows and "un-know" what you know about the Trek universe, the series could be reasonably decent...[/quote]

Yes...let's throw thirty some odd years of history out the window so we can satisfy Berman's lust for ratings and money. At least, then, Enterprise makes for good TV....oh wait...it wouldn't be trek then would it....

But wait, that's the point isn't it. Isn't that why they didn't put Star Trek in the title? It gave Berman free reign to rape Gene's vision of the future.

Captain Skyline · Vice Admiral Joined: 09 Aug 2001 Posts: 6646 Location: UK

well Klingons would basically look like Humans so it would be...rubbish really.

sabertooth1217 · **Fri Sep 19, 2003 7:26 pm**

not really.

GhostOfAMemory · **Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:41 am**

GhostOfAMemory · **Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:49 am**

Oh gosh, you WANT klingons to look like they did in TOS? Puh-leeze. At least they look cool now. You think that was supposed to be "evolution" that gave klingons their ridges? Nope. It was improvment to the show. They looked at klingons and thot "ok, guys with beards... so? We need to make them look alien" and changed them. Duh. And it's kind of hard to have a pre-quel if you stick to things exactly. If they didn't know some of this stuff, and didn't run into some of these people, it wouldn't be much of a show. Look at what smallville did with superman, eh? Innacurate when compared to the first show, but much cooler. Now I don't think enterprise is cooler than the other trek shows, but it is still cool. And you know the uniforms are way better than TOS. I don't see what everyone's problem is with enterprise. So some things are different, big deal. and of COURSE it looks more advanced than TOS. TOS was filmed in the SIXTIES! This is the new millenium. It's not enterprise that's been improved, it's our own special effects. Duh. Enterprise also looks more advanced than TNG. But you can tell it's not. They're still scared to use the transporter because it's new. They can barely use force fields, and they don't have any shelids on the ship. And the clothes are so much cooler. I like the other shows better, and sure the story lines/characters could use a little improvement, but it still gets 2 thumbs up in my book.

PS: They DO call it star trek: enterprise now. duh.

Captain Michael Pike · Captain Joined: 14 Jul 2001 Posts: 597 Location: PA

[quote="GhostOfAMemory"]Oh gosh, you WANT klingons to look like they did in TOS? Puh-leeze. At least they look cool now. You think that was supposed to be "evolution" that gave klingons their ridges? Nope. It was improvment to the show. They looked at klingons and thot "ok, guys with beards... so? We need to make them look alien" and changed them. Duh. And it's kind of hard to have a pre-quel if you stick to things exactly. If they didn't know some of this stuff, and didn't run into some of these people, it wouldn't be much of a show. Look at what smallville did with superman, eh? Innacurate when compared to the first show, but much cooler. Now I don't think enterprise is cooler than the other trek shows, but it is still cool. And you know the uniforms are way better than TOS. I don't see what everyone's problem is with enterprise. So some things are different, big deal. and of COURSE it looks more advanced than TOS. TOS was filmed in the SIXTIES! This is the new millenium. It's not enterprise that's been improved, it's our own special effects. Duh. Enterprise also looks more advanced than TNG. But you can tell it's not. They're still scared to use the transporter because it's new. They can barely use force fields, and they don't have any shelids on the ship. And the clothes are so much cooler. I like the other shows better, and sure the story lines/characters could use a little improvement, but it still gets 2 thumbs up in my book.

PS: They DO call it star trek: enterprise now. duh.[/quote]

1) Yes the Klingons should look like they did in TOS...it's called consistency. I understand that the Klingons were none too menacing in TOS but even in DS9 they made reference to the Klingons looking different (that episode was Trials and Tribble-ations). After stating in TOS and DS9 that they looked different in the past, why keep them as the ridge heads? And actually, Gene always wanted the Klingons to "look more alien" they just didn't have the budget to do so.

2) We wouldn't have much of a prequel without these changes? Sorry...don't know much about Federation history, huh? Remember the Romulan war? Oh...how about the beginning of the Klingon war? What about the creation of Starfleet to begin with? Starfleet should be in its infancy with one or two Daedalus class vessels at the time of Enterprise...not with NX-01.

3) Smallville? First show? What do you mean, the one with George Reeve or the movies with Christopher Reeves or do you mean that pedantic, dribble they wrote called Lois and Clark? Superman has alway been evolving to meet the present. Smallville is the first Superman prequel and all others will now be held in comparison to it.

4) The problem isn't with the special effects when it come to Enterprise itelf. The problem is that it is an Akira-class vessel, first seen in Star Trek First Contact, with some very minor modifications to make it look older. The problem is that the Akira-class was first commissioned in the 2370's and took more time to pass trials because of the unique warp geometry caused by its more eliptical hull configuration (when compared to established Starfleet vessels). Ignoring that altogether, the first Enterprise was seen in the Rec Hall on Star Trek The Motion Picture (Will Decker is pointing out to Lieutenant Ilia that "These are the former ships which bore the name Enterprise."), the show Enterprise ignores this fact altogether.

5) Did you get the word duh in there enough?

6) It's now called Star Trek: Enterprise because they want to get back the hard core fans of the other Star Trek shows, not because Berman is done raping the Federation's past.