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Theresa
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 Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:40 pm Anyone watch the Presidential address tonight? |
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| Quote: | WASHINGTON (Sept. 7) - Four days before the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush said Sunday night he will seek $87 billion to fight terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan and ''engage the enemy where he lives.''
In an 18-minute address Bush said, ''We are fighting that enemy in Iraq and Afghanistan today so that we do not meet him again on our own streets, in our own cities.''
Bush appealed for troops and money for security and reconstruction from other countries, even those who opposed the U.S.-led war.
Bush, speaking from the Cabinet Room in a nationally broadcast speech, said the United States would not be intimidated into retreat by violence.
''The terrorists have cited the examples of Beirut and Somalia, claiming that if you inflict harm on Americans we will run from a challenge,'' Bush said, referring to U.S. withdrawals after the loss of American lives. ''In this they are mistaken.''
It was Bush's first major speech on Iraq since May 1 when he stood on the deck of the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln and declared an end to major combat operations. Since then, more Americans have died in Iraq than were killed during the war. The overall death count is 287 - 149 since May 1.
The violence - including four major bombing attacks in a month - have raised alarms about Bush's handling of Iraq. Republicans and Democrats alike have urged Bush to change course and seek more troops and money from other countries.
Questions also have been fueled by the administration's failure to find any of Saddam Hussein's alleged illegal weapons or Saddam himself. Bush made just one reference in his speech to weapons of mass destruction - a sharp contrast to his repeated assertions before the war about illegal weapons.
Bush's remarks failed to still criticism from Democratic presidential hopefuls.
''Now that the president has recognized that he has been going down the wrong path, this administration must begin the process of fully engaging our allies and sharing the burden of building a stable democracy in Iraq,'' said Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo.
Howard Dean, another Democratic candidate, said Iraq had pulled the country's attention and resources away from homeland security and the economy.
Comparing Iraq with Vietnam, Dean said, ''The government again is feeding misinformation to the American people in order to justify an enormous commitment of U.S. troops.''
Bush said Iraq and the Middle East are critical to winning the global war on terror. Bush's plan for Mideast plan appeared to be unraveling after Saturday's resignation of Mahmoud Abbas, the U.S.-backed Palestinian prime minister. But he made no mention of that in his speech.
Bush described Iraq as the central front in the war against terror and said that ''enemies of freedom are making a desperate stand there, and there they must be defeated.
''This will take time and require sacrifice,'' he said. ''Yet we will do what is necessary, we will spend what is necessary, to achieve this essential victory in the war on terror, to promote freedom and to make our own nation more secure.''
Bush said the current number of U.S. troops in Iraq - 130,000 - is sufficient but that more foreign troops are needed. He said two multinational divisions, led by Britain and Poland, are serving alongside the United States, and that American commanders have requested a third multinational division.
Some countries have asked for an explicit U.N. peacekeeping authorization, and Bush said Secretary of State Colin Powell would seek a Security Council resolution to authorize deployment of new forces. Bush will address the U.N. General Assembly in two weeks.
Referring to France, Germany and Russia, Bush said that ''not all of our friends agreed with our decision (to) ... remove Saddam Hussein from power. Yet we cannot let past differences interfere with present duties.''
Pressed by Democrats and Republicans alike for a pricetag for Iraq, Bush said $66 billion of the $87 billion he will seek from Congress for the next fiscal year is for military and intelligence operations in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. In April 2003, Congress and Bush enacted a $79 billion measure paying initial costs of the war and its aftermath and for worldwide efforts against terrorism.
While the United States has shouldered the burden of the effort in Iraq, Bush said other nations will be asked to help. He said Powell will meet with representatives of many countries later this month to seek contributions for rebuilding Afghanistan. Next month, Powell will hold a similar funding conference for Iraq.
''Europe, Japan and states in the Middle East all will benefit from the success of freedom in those two countries, and they should contribute to that success,'' Bush said.
Bush said Iraq is under siege from former loyalists of Saddam Hussein and foreign terrorists who have come to Iraq to pursue their war against the United States.
''We cannot be certain to what extent these groups work together,'' the president said. ''We do know they have a common goal: reclaiming Iraq for tyranny.''
Public support for Bush's policy has slipped since the war but has leveled off in the mid 50s, polls show.
Appealing to Americans' patriotism, Bush said the United States has ''done this kind of work before. Following World War II, we lifted up the defeated nations of Japan and Germany and stood with them as they built representative governments. We committed years and resources to this cause.''
He said U.S. strategy in Iraq has three objectives: ''destroying the terrorists, enlisting the support of other nations for a free Iraq and helping Iraqis assume responsibility for their own defense and their own future.''
Powell said the Bush administration is concerned that members of al-Qaida or other terrorist groups may be heading toward Iraq. ''I'm not sure how large these numbers are, how significant the threat is, but we will deal with it in Iraq,'' Powell said on NBC's 'Meet the Press.''
Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the senior Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Congress will approve the money needed to support U.S. troops, but that lawmakers want the president to tell them what his ''exit strategy'' is from Iraq.
Defense Department officials have said U.S. operations are costing about $3.9 billion monthly. That figure excludes indirect expenses such as replacing damaged equipment and munitions expended in combat.
Levin said lawmakers are being told that it will cost $4.5 billion a month for the military - plus reconstruction expenses.
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| Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:47 pm |
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where does bush get his gall, and who the heck does he think he is, he never should have started that one sided "war" in the first place.
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Theresa
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| Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:12 pm |
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Are you totally serious? 
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| Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:19 pm |
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I am Canadian.
need I say more, lol
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Theresa
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| Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:29 pm |
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Ah, so that wasn't an informed post. I get it.
(Not that Canadians are uninformed)
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| Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:38 pm |
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i my self dont agree with bush starting a war. i dont agree with anyone starting any kind of war.
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Theresa
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| Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:40 pm |
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So your a pacifist. That's cool.
BTW, it doesn't work like that. "Bush deciding to start a war". American History is great,  As is Civics.
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| Mon Sep 08, 2003 5:45 pm |
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never heard of a "pacifist" b4
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Kyle Reese
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| Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:00 pm |
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 i really don't get why so many people hate bush, then again i'm probably not old enough to get it lol
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| Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:22 pm |
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i dont see why they like him.
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Seven of Nine
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| Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:50 am |
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A pacifist is someone who doesn't support fighting or violence of any sort. I have pacifist tendancies, but I couldn't call myself a pacifist.
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| Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:05 am |
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Well I think in theory it was the right move, If Iraq would settle down and stop terrorist attacks america, britain and any other countries involved could rebuild iraq and make it a better country. Right now the soldiers are just being picked off. If they dont want our help, then leave Iraq, its there fault if there country falls apart.
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Theresa
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| Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:19 am |
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Some people are saying we should pull out and leave them to it. If we did that, every life lost would be in vain.
Not to mention, that's just not how we are. We helped rebuild Germany and Japan. Not for the regime, for the people. It's not the Iraqi peoples fault SH was such a slime.
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| Tue Sep 09, 2003 10:38 am |
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^ Exactly. Some girl in school said she didn't like Bush because he wasn't pulling out, and I asked her what the point of that would be. It would just be sacrificing everything that the troops have done to get rid of Saddam's regime. Bush (and Blair, and whoever else) would be allowing a few terrorist groups to stop them from helping the people.
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| Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:45 pm |
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| Captain Skyline wrote: | | Well I think in theory it was the right move, If Iraq would settle down and stop terrorist attacks america, britain and any other countries involved could rebuild iraq and make it a better country. Right now the soldiers are just being picked off. If they dont want our help, then leave Iraq, its there fault if there country falls apart. |
HOW THE H-E-double-hockey-sticks CAN YOU SAY THAT THE KILLING OF TWO THOUSAND INNOCENT PEOPLE WAS THE RIGHT CHOICE?
I CERTAINLY WOULD NOT CALL YOU A PACIFIST.
AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE THOUGHT THAT KILLING POEPLE IS WRONG, AND THEREFORE NOTHING WRONG WITH THE THOUGHT THAT WAR IS WRONG.
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Theresa
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| Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:56 pm |
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Tone down. NOW. Everyone else is managing to carry on a civilized conversation and not turn it personal. Except you. This is the second time I've had to warn you of this.
And don't quote numbers w/out having anything to back it up. I don't know how many times I've said that.
Yes, innocents died. Thats war. But it is just as much SH's fault as anyone else. Do you have a problem with the hundreds of thousands SH et al killed simply for the pleasure of it? Do you know how many thousands he would have continued killing? You don't beleive that the Iraqi people have the right to self government? Have the right to cross the street w/out fear of being killed for being in the "wrong" party? It's amazing how selfish people are. We have our civil liberties, to hell with the rest of the world. It sickens me.
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| Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:16 pm |
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| Chakotay99 wrote: | | i dont see why they like him. |
I dont see why people come online and suddenly become anti everything and thinkt hey could run every government on the world.
if you have a problem with who is leading your country, go to collage, become a lawyer, do all of the *beep* you need to become president, king, dictator or whatever the hell it is that your country calls there leader.
that is of course unless your some snot nosed brat that stays up late on school nights online talking *beep* when your parents think your in bed, well, this also counts for adults that still live at home in there mommy's basement.
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Seven of Nine
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| Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:40 pm |
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Quote from Metro Newspaper (a free daily newspaper available on public transport and places around the UK):
| Mudher Al-Adnani wrote: | | IRAQ AND RUIN: In his latest speech, George Bush said that Iraq is now the main area in the war on terrorism. If I remember correctly, both Tony Blair and George Bush said that a war on Iraq would resultin a reduction of terrorism and the world would be safer. Obviously, that was just another lie to justify the war in Iraq. |
OK, so I half agree with this, but it's not exactly Bush's or Blair's fault that the terrorism is taking advantage of the uproar that was caused by the war. The only thing I really really disagree with is the lies told to go to war. If they'd just come out and said "This war is to help the Iraqi's overthrow Saddam Hussain, and at the same time we're going to see if they have WMD" then I probably would have a lot more faith in both Bush and Blair.
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| Wed Sep 10, 2003 1:20 pm |
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| chocho_11 wrote: | | ^ Exactly. Some girl in school said she didn't like Bush because he wasn't pulling out, and I asked her what the point of that would be. It would just be sacrificing everything that the troops have done to get rid of Saddam's regime. Bush (and Blair, and whoever else) would be allowing a few terrorist groups to stop them from helping the people. |
Well its just like the Russians when they invaded Alfganistan (Forgive me if i get the wrong country, my mind is completly clear on this) they tried to hold the country, but there was so many gorilla attacks on there troops they had to pull out.
I think they should pull out now, yes the troops deaths were in vain but pull out before many more die, i dont see how they can keep the peace there.
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| Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:03 pm |
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The troops deaths aren't in vain. But will be so if we pull out. You don't think SH will step right back into power? Come on.
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| Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:22 am |
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well im no good with politics, so count me out of this discussion.
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:26 am |
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Humm... I don't know what to think at the moment... if we pull out, we lose. If we don't, we lose. It's a no win situation.
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| Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:28 am |
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And oyu cant stay there forever. So there's really only one choice, right?
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Seven of Nine
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| Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:31 am |
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Yup... I think we need to help the Iraqi's set up their own army, so we can at least start to pull out. (We may already be doing this... I've not been quite so up to date recently.)
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Theresa
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| Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:45 pm |
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We don't pull out, we lose. We pull out, we lose. Explain that.
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