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Josi Rockholt
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| Chakotay99 wrote: | | im a democrat because i beleive in peace. in my view bush is war hungry. no one did anything like 911 when clicnton was president cause the goverment was strong. when bush was voted (by the state of florida) 911 happen. i dont say i agree with clinton's mocial luwenka thing at all. but the goverment seemed strong 4 years ago. |
If it wasn't for Clinton ruining the economy, 911 might not have evenhappened. They first attacked during his administation. He did nothing about it,Bush is. I'm going to vote for Bush if he runs.I'll have to register though.
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Los
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Qgirl
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This is going to be my first time voting for president, well unless there are other elections sooner, my first time voting at all 
Bush is up for re-election, I think Nader is running.
Do we know who the Democrat's candidate is?
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Jeff Miller
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If Ross Parrot (Not sure about the spelling of his last name) is running Im going to vote for him I always like the under dog
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Los
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Perot is not likely running. I think Leiberman is the frontman for the Democratic party. Bush by a landslide.
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LightningBoy
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| Chakotay99 wrote: | | im a democrat because i beleive in peace. in my view bush is war hungry. no one did anything like 911 when clicnton was president cause the goverment was strong. when bush was voted (by the state of florida) 911 happen. i dont say i agree with clinton's mocial luwenka thing at all. but the goverment seemed strong 4 years ago. |
It was BECAUSE of Clinton that 9/11 happened. Bush Sr. opened the door to the middle east when he saved Kuwait. He could've really cleaned it up, but Clinton got elected. Clinton pretty much isolated our country, and let terrorists walk all over our foreign embassies, never have the intelligence to realize that he should deal with them, so they don't attack our homeground.
You say nothing like 9/11 ever happened when Clinton was in office: What about the U.S.S. Cole... Funny how we forget, how about the U.S. North African Embasy? Both were bombed by Al-Quaida during Clintons administration. If Bush had been in office then, we would've eliminated Al-Quaida THEN and he would'nt have hesitated to make the call!
Peace as you perceive it is GARBAGE! REAL peace is only attainable through war. The problem with the 'bleeding heart liberal' non-sence definition of peace is that it's only superficial. People in Iraq would still be slaughtered. Iraq would still build up it's nuclear enrichment facility, and they would've used it on us when they got their ICBMs, and they would've continued to train coward Al-Quaida soldires at their bases.
But then when WE the United States of America are overrun with Jealous Anti-Semitist Mulim Extremists, we're supposed to sit back... twiddle our thumbs and say: "oh well, we're not at war so is'nt this 'peace' GREAT!"
NOT IN MY WORLD, a world I find myself caring less about every day. We (The U.S.) try, but the majority of the international community spits in our face. The world is coming to a point where common sence and logic is irretrivable. The United States does so much, selflessly, for other countries around the world, and most of the rest of the world spits in our face. We strive to finally destroy those who oppose REAL peace, and we get spit in the fact. The rest of the world has gotten so wrapped up in money, resources, and political nonsence, that they've forgotten what this world is held together by: SELFLESSNESS.
The United States (and Allies) had to make a sacrafise to do what was right. If that means the blood of a few good people is on our hands, so be it. We will regret those lost, but that stain can be shadowed by the lives we saved and the freedom we created. We've done our part, and we have'nt forgotten what makes life important. Now it's time the rest of the world does it too.
(Sorry to any foreigners who agree with my points of view. I may come off sounding 'anti-everyone not US' And I really don't mean that, I mean the majority of the world including the U.S. citizens who think that way as well.)
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Jeff Miller
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dude take time and breath that rant made me breathless anyway we had a chance to get rid of Sadam back in 91 when Bushes daddy was in office did we take the chance? NO we let him slip though our fingers than now we have little bush trying to fix what Daddy Bush screwed up on did we get Sadam again? *looks around for Sadam* NO we lost our chance again I say the Bushes are worst screw up's than Clinton was.
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | dude take time and breath that rant made me breathless anyway we had a chance to get rid of Sadam back in 91 when Bushes daddy was in office did we take the chance? NO we let him slip though our fingers than now we have little bush trying to fix what Daddy Bush screwed up on did we get Sadam again? *looks around for Sadam* NO we lost our chance again I say the Bushes are worst screw up's than Clinton was.
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That was very well put 
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Jeff Miller
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why thank you
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harrykims#1fan
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if everyone backed me would i be president?? lol
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Los
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| LightningBoy wrote: | | Chakotay99 wrote: | | im a democrat because i beleive in peace. in my view bush is war hungry. no one did anything like 911 when clicnton was president cause the goverment was strong. when bush was voted (by the state of florida) 911 happen. i dont say i agree with clinton's mocial luwenka thing at all. but the goverment seemed strong 4 years ago. |
It was BECAUSE of Clinton that 9/11 happened. Bush Sr. opened the door to the middle east when he saved Kuwait. He could've really cleaned it up, but Clinton got elected. Clinton pretty much isolated our country, and let terrorists walk all over our foreign embassies, never have the intelligence to realize that he should deal with them, so they don't attack our homeground.
You say nothing like 9/11 ever happened when Clinton was in office: What about the U.S.S. Cole... Funny how we forget, how about the U.S. North African Embasy? Both were bombed by Al-Quaida during Clintons administration. If Bush had been in office then, we would've eliminated Al-Quaida THEN and he would'nt have hesitated to make the call!
Peace as you perceive it is GARBAGE! REAL peace is only attainable through war. The problem with the 'bleeding heart liberal' non-sence definition of peace is that it's only superficial. People in Iraq would still be slaughtered. Iraq would still build up it's nuclear enrichment facility, and they would've used it on us when they got their ICBMs, and they would've continued to train coward Al-Quaida soldires at their bases.
But then when WE the United States of America are overrun with Jealous Anti-Semitist Mulim Extremists, we're supposed to sit back... twiddle our thumbs and say: "oh well, we're not at war so is'nt this 'peace' GREAT!"
NOT IN MY WORLD, a world I find myself caring less about every day. We (The U.S.) try, but the majority of the international community spits in our face. The world is coming to a point where common sence and logic is irretrivable. The United States does so much, selflessly, for other countries around the world, and most of the rest of the world spits in our face. We strive to finally destroy those who oppose REAL peace, and we get spit in the fact. The rest of the world has gotten so wrapped up in money, resources, and political nonsence, that they've forgotten what this world is held together by: SELFLESSNESS.
The United States (and Allies) had to make a sacrafise to do what was right. If that means the blood of a few good people is on our hands, so be it. We will regret those lost, but that stain can be shadowed by the lives we saved and the freedom we created. We've done our part, and we have'nt forgotten what makes life important. Now it's time the rest of the world does it too.
(Sorry to any foreigners who agree with my points of view. I may come off sounding 'anti-everyone not US' And I really don't mean that, I mean the majority of the world including the U.S. citizens who think that way as well.) |
Public opinion polls > *
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LightningBoy
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | dude take time and breath that rant made me breathless anyway we had a chance to get rid of Sadam back in 91 when Bushes daddy was in office did we take the chance? NO we let him slip though our fingers than now we have little bush trying to fix what Daddy Bush screwed up on did we get Sadam again? *looks around for Sadam* NO we lost our chance again I say the Bushes are worst screw up's than Clinton was.
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Yeah we had a chance to get rid of Sadam, but the U.N. told us to back out, and in favor of relations with the U.N. Bush listened, and let them use their inspectors. A couple years later, during Clinton's term, Sadam quit letting the inspectors in. Did Clinton pick up where Bush let off? NO!
Bush Jr. was the only one with the guts to stand up to the U.N., tell them their plan is'nt working, and do it himself, the dirty way. But it did get done, and Clinton's screw up is finally complete, at the cost of thousands of Iraqi's lives. Is Sadam dead? I don't know. Is that relavant? No. He has no power, he cannot murder people en-masse anymore. Peace in Iraq is on the way in. It's got a way to go, but we gave it the start it needed.
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Josi Rockholt
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | dude take time and breath that rant made me breathless anyway we had a chance to get rid of Sadam back in 91 when Bushes daddy was in office did we take the chance? NO we let him slip though our fingers than now we have little bush trying to fix what Daddy Bush screwed up on did we get Sadam again? *looks around for Sadam* NO we lost our chance again I say the Bushes are worst screw up's than Clinton was.
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If Clinton was still in office,he would have done nothing to Saddam. Bush,both of them,have done something. Peace is finally forming,in a way, In the Middle East.
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Theresa
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | dude take time and breath that rant made me breathless anyway we had a chance to get rid of Sadam back in 91 when Bushes daddy was in office did we take the chance? NO we let him slip though our fingers than now we have little bush trying to fix what Daddy Bush screwed up on did we get Sadam again? *looks around for Sadam* NO we lost our chance again I say the Bushes are worst screw up's than Clinton was.
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Dude, Clinton had bin Laden in his sites and let him go. Which would you say is the bigger error? And Bush Sr. was all for blowing SH off the face of the earth, but yet again, polotics interfered.
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Jeff Miller
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| Janeway 15 wrote: |
If Clinton was still in office,he would have done nothing to Saddam. Bush,both of them,have done something. Peace is finally forming,in a way, In the Middle East. |
that is so untrue the fact that our solders are getting killed 2 or more a day is not proof that there is any resemblence of peace we go in to help a country that bush says there is weapons what do we have to show for it? 2 empty trailers, some loose parts (Purpose unknown) and several dead solders I think bush is leading our people to slaughter IMO
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Theresa
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Oh puh-leeze. Purpose unknown? Please, tell me, do you know of another use for a nuclear container? They have clearly said the parts are from a nuclear capable missile. I will for the life of me never understand why people choose to ignore facts if it negates their opinion. What did you expect? Saddam didn't leave a little map like you get at Disney saying, Anthrax at location 1. Nukes at location 2....... and for your pleasure, we've taken apart several missiles, (which we DENIED HAVING), and have hidden the pieces all over the place.
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Nuclear, Biological, Chemical, and Missile Capabilities and Programs[1]
Nuclear[2] With sufficient black-market uranium or plutonium, Iraq probably could fabricate a nuclear weapon.
If undetected and unobstructed, could produce weapons-grade fissile material within several years.
Engaged in clandestine procurement of special nuclear weapon-related equipment.
Retains large and experienced pool of nuclear scientists and technicians.
Retains nuclear weapons design, and may retain related components and software.
Repeatedly violated its obligations under the NPT, which Iraq ratified on 10/29/69.
Repeatedly violated its obligations under United Nations Security Council (UNSC) Resolution 687, which mandates destruction of Iraq's nuclear weapon capabilities.
Until halted by Coalition air attacks and UNSCOM disarmament efforts, Iraq had an extensive nuclear weapon development program that began in 1972, involved 10,000 personnel, and had a multi-year budget totaling approximately $10 billion.
In 1990, Iraq also launched a crash program to divert reactor fuel under IAEA safeguards to produce nuclear weapons.
Considered two delivery options for nuclear weapons: either using unmodified al-Hussein ballistic missile with 300km range, or producing Al-Hussein derivative with 650km range.
In 1987, Iraq reportedly field tested a radiological bomb.
Biological[3] May retain stockpile of biological weapon (BW) munitions, including over 150 R-400 aerial bombs, and 25 or more special chemical/biological Al-Hussein ballistic missile warheads.
May retain biological weapon sprayers for Mirage F-1 aircraft.
May retain mobile production facility with capacity to produce "dry" biological agents (i.e., with long shelf life and optimized for dissemination).
Has not accounted for 17 metric tonnes of BW growth media.
May possess smallpox virus; tested camelpox prior to Gulf War.
Maintains technical expertise and equipment to resume production of Bacillus anthracis spores (anthrax), botulinum toxin, aflatoxin, and Clostridium perfringens (gas gangrene).
Prepared BW munitions for missile and aircraft delivery in 1990-1991 Gulf War; this included loading al-Hussein ballistic missile warheads and R-400 aerial bombs with Bacillis anthracis.
Conducted research on BW dissemination using unmanned aerial vehicles.
Repeatedly violated its obligations under UNSC Resolution 687, which mandates destruction of Iraq's biological weapon capabilities.
Ratified the BTWC on 4/18/91, as required by the Gulf War cease-fire agreement.
Chemical[4] May retain stockpile of chemical weapon (CW) munitions, including 25 or more special chemical/biological al-Hussein ballistic missile warheads, 2,000 aerial bombs, 15,000-25,000 rockets, and 15,000 artillery shells.
Believed to possess sufficient precursor chemicals to produce hundreds of tons of mustard gas, VX, and other nerve agents.
Reconstructing former dual-use CW production facilities that were destroyed by U.S. bombing.
Retains sufficient technical expertise to revive CW programs within months.
Repeatedly used CW against Iraqi Kurds in 1988 and against Iran in 1983-1988 during the Iran-Iraq war.
An extensive CW arsenal–including 38,537 munitions, 690 tons of CW agents, and over 3,000 tons of CW precursor chemicals–has been destroyed by UNSCOM.
Repeatedly violated its obligations under UNSC Resolution 687, which mandates destruction of Iraq's chemical weapon capabilities.
Not a signatory of the Chemical Weapons Convention.
Ballistic missiles[5] May retain several al-Hussein (modified Scud-B) missiles with 650km range and 500kg payload.
May retain components for dozens of Scud-B and al-Hussein missiles, as well as indigenously produced Scud missile engines.
Maintains clandestine procurement network to import missile components.
Reconstructing missile production facilities destroyed in 1998 by U.S. bombing.
May possess several hundred tons of propellant for Scud missiles.
If undetected and unobstructed, could resume production of al-Hussein missiles; could develop 3,000km-range missiles within five years; could develop ICBM within 15 years.
Launched 331 Scud-B missiles at Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, and 189 al-Hussein missiles at Iranian cities during the 1988 "War of the Cities."
Developing Ababil-100 with 150km range and 300kg payload, flight-testing al-Samoud with 140km range and 300kg payload, and producing Ababil-50 with 50km range and 95kg payload.
Cruise missiles[6] C-601/Nisa 28 and HY-2 Silkworm with 95km range and 513kg payload.
SS-N-2c Styx with 80km range and 513kg payload.
Exocet AM-39 with 50km range and 165kg payload.
YJ-1/C-801 with 40km range and 165kg payload.
Other delivery systems[7] Reportedly converting L-29 jet trainers to unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for delivery of BW or CW.
May possess spraying equipment for BW dissemination by helicopter.
Experimented with MIG-21 as unmanned delivery vehicle for BW.
Fighter and ground attack forces may total 300 fixed-wing aircraft, including Su-25, Su-24MK, Su-20, Su-7, MiG-29, MiG-25, MiG-23BN, MiG-21, Mirage F1EQ5, and F-7.
Ground systems include artillery and rocket launchers, notably 500+ FROG-7 artillery rockets and 12-15 launchers, with 70km range and 450kg payload.
Sources:
[1] This chart summarizes data available from public sources. Precise assessment of a Iraq's capabilities is difficult because most weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs remain secret and cannot be verified independently. Although inspections by UNSCOM and the IAEA's Iraq Action Team provided detailed information about past Iraqi programs, assessing Iraq's current capabilities is difficult due to its policies of denial and deception, and to its expulsion of UNSCOM inspectors in November 1998.
On Iraq's deception and denial policies, see: Khidhir Hamza with Jeff Stein, Saddam's Bombmaker (New York: Scribner, 2000). David Albright, "Masters of Deception," Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists 54:3 (May/June 1998). Barton Gellman, "A Futile Game of Hide and Seek," Washington Post, 10/11/98. Barton Gellman, "Arms Inspectors ‘Shake the Tree," Washington Post, 10/12/98.
On UNSCOM's efforts to disarm Iraq of WMD, see Robert Einhorn, Robert Gallucci, Dimitri Perricos, Jere Nichols, Gary Dillon, Ephraim Asculai, and Michael Eisenstadt, 6/14-15/01, transcripts from a conference, "Understanding the Lessons of Nuclear Inspections and Monitoring in Iraq: A Ten-Year Review," Washington, DC. Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS). <http://www.isis-online.org/publications/iraq/index.html>. Richard Butler, The Greatest Threat: Iraq, Weapons of Mass Destruction and the Growing Crisis in Global Security, (New York: Public Affairs, 2000). Tim Trevan, Saddam's Secrets-The Hunt for Iraq's Hidden Weapons, (New York: Harper Collins, 1999).
[2] IAEA Action Team on Iraq, 7/13/01, "Fact Sheet: Iraq's Nuclear Weapon Programme," International Atomic Energy Agency, <http://www.iaea.or.at/worldatom/Programmes/ActionTeam/nwp2.html>. Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD), Proliferation: Threat and Response, (Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 2001). Kelly Motz, undated [accessed 9/12/01] "What Has Iraq Been Doing Since Inspectors Left? What Is On Its Shopping List?" Iraq Watch, <http://www.iraqwatch.org/updates/update.asp?id=wpn200107231601>. William J. Broad, "Document Reveals 1987 Bomb Test by Iraq," New York Times, 4/29/01, p. 16. David Albright, "Iraq's Nuclear Weapons Program: Past, Present, and Future Challenges," PolicyWatch #301, 2/18/98, <http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/watch/Policywatch/policywatch1998/301.htm>. U.S. Government White Paper, "Iraq Weapons Of Mass Destruction Programs," 2/13/98, <http://www.state.gov/www/regions/nea/iraq_white_paper.html>. Steven Dolley, 5/12/98, "Iraq's Nuclear Weapons Program: Unresolved Issues," Nuclear Control Institute, <http://www.nci.org/iraq/iraq511.htm>. Steven Dolley, 2/19/98, "Iraq and the Bomb: The Nuclear Threat Continues," Nuclear Control Institute, <http://www.nci.org/i/ib21998.htm>. Anthony H. Cordesman, Weapons of Mass Destruction in the Middle East: Regional Trends, National Forces, Warfighting Capabilities, Delivery Options, and Weapons Effects, Center for Strategic and International Studies, June 2001, <http://www.csis.org/burke/mb/me_wmd_mideast.pdf>, pp. 85-86. David Albright, "A Special Case: Iraq," Plutonium and Highly Enriched Uranium 1996: World Inventories, Capabilities, and Policies, (Oxford: Oxford University Press/SIPRI, 1997), pp. 309-50.
[3] United Nations Special Commission on Iraq (UNSCOM), Report: Disarmament, 1/25/99, United Nations, <http://cns.miis.edu/research/iraq/ucreport/index.htm>. Motz undated. Steve Bowman, "Iraqi Chemical and Biological Weapons (CBW) Capabilities," (Washington, D.C.: Congressional Research Service, 2/17/9 , pp. 1-5. Barbara Starr, "UNSCOM Inspectors Still Doubt Iraq's Arms Claims," Jane's Defence Weekly, 2/25/98, p. 18. U.S. Government White Paper 1998. Cordesman 2001, pp. 81-84. Gellman 1998. Jonathan Tucker, "Lessons of Iraq's Biological Weapons Program," Arms Control Today, 1993, 14(3): 229-71.
[4]U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), "Unclassified Report to Congress on the Acquisition of Technology Relating to Weapons of Mass Destruction and Advanced Conventional Munitions, 1 July Through 31 December 2000," 9/7/01, <http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/bian/bian_sep_2001.htm>. Motz undated. Javed Ali, Spring 2001, "Chemical Weapons and the Iran-Iraq War: A Case Study in Noncompliance," Nonproliferation Review 8(1): 43-58. UNSCOM 1/25/99. Bowman 1998, pp. 1-5. U.S. Government White Paper 1998. Starr 1998, p. 18. Cordesman 2001, pp. 75-79. United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), "UNSCOM Main Achievements," 5/98, <http://www.un.org/Depts/unscom/achievement.htm>. Physicians for Human Rights, "Winds of Death: Iraq's Use of Poison Gas Against its Kurdish Population," (Boston, MA: Physicians for Human Rights, 2/89), pp. 1-2.
[5] CIA 9/7/01. Cordesman 2001, pp.71-75. "German Assessment: Iraqi Missiles Will Reach Europe by 2005," Deutsche Presse Agentur (Berlin), 2/23/00, <http://www.BerlinOnline.de>. Jane's Online, "Country Inventory – In Service," and "Offensive Weapons, Iraq," Jane's Strategic Weapons Systems 36, 7/24/01, <http://online.janes.com>. National Intelligence Council, Foreign Missile Developments and the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States Through 2015, 9/99, <http://www.cia.gov/nic/pubs/other_products/foreign_missle_developments.htm>. Carnegie Nuclear Non-Proliferation Project, undated [accessed 8/14/01], "World Missile Chart, <http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/resources/ballisticmissilechart.htm>. Motz undated. UNSCOM 1/25/99. Federation of American Scientists, undated, "Iraq," <http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/missile/>. Centre for Defence and International Security Studies (CDISS), undated, "National Briefings: Iraq," "Ballistic Missile Capabilities by Country," and "Iraqi Ballistic Missile Capabilities," <http://www.cdiss.org/>. U.S. Government White Paper 1998. Starr, p. 18. Dilip Hiro, The Longest War: The Iran-Iraq Military Conflict (London: Grafton Books, 1989). Interview with Tim McCarthy, Senior Missile Analyst, Center for Nonproliferation Studies, Monterey Institute of International Studies, 4/30/98.
[6] National Defense Industrial Association, Feasibility of Third World Advanced Ballistic and Cruise Missile Threat: Volume 2, Emerging Cruise Missile Threat, 8/99, <http://www.ndia.org/committees/slaad/ECMTVol2.pdf>, pp. 138-145. CDISS, undated, "Emerging Cruise Missile Capabilities," <http://www.cdiss.org/images/tabled.htm>.
[7] CIA 9/7/01. Motz undated. Jane's Online 7/24/01. The Military Balance 2000/2001 (London: International Institute for Strategic Studies, 2000), p. 141.
September 2001 update by Michael Barletta and Jeffrey Fields.
November 1998 original by Michael Barletta and Erik Jorgensen.
� Center for Nonproliferation Studies
Monterey Institute of International Studies
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Jeff Miller
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| Maquis74656 wrote: | | Oh puh-leeze. Purpose unknown? Please, tell me, do you know of another use for a nuclear container? They have clearly said the parts are from a nuclear capable missile. I will for the life of me never understand why people choose to ignore facts if it negates their opinion. What did you expect? Saddam didn't leave a little map like you get at Disney saying, Anthrax at location 1. Nukes at location 2....... and for your pleasure, we've taken apart several missiles, (which we DENIED HAVING), and have hidden the pieces all over the place. |
ok you may have a point but you left out one thing what about our guys dying atleast one or more a day? and you can't say that this is all the work of pockets of resistance its too originzed.
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Theresa
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Too organized? Check out how an American battalion is outfitted.
And the Ba'ath account for 20% of Iraq's population. Remember the guys who are loyal to SH? 20% of a population is alot of guys. Alot of the resistance is no doubt the "elite" Iraqi military. And when telling the number of Americans killed, be sure to include the number of Iraqi's killed. And stuff like that failed ambush last week.
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ahhh *throws hands up* I give up you win you and your facts are just too overpowering for me while Im waking up you win there
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Theresa
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | ahhh *throws hands up* I give up you win you and your facts are just too overpowering for me while Im waking up you win there |
No winning,
And we've hijacked this topic long enough. Though, we are discussing the merits of the candidates, so I guess it's ok,
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hehe, she said puh-leaze.
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LightningBoy
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Location: Minnesota, U.S.A.
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| Tue Jul 08, 2003 12:07 am |
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It's kinda funny with this argument, it seems when Maquis steps down for a minute, I step up, and continue, and when I step down, Maquis steps back up, and continues where I leave off. LOL.
Aaah... I love the eternal game of heart vs. mind ping pong. Will it never end?
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Voyager`
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Location: Iowa
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| Tue Aug 05, 2003 12:06 am |
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ok ok that will be my first year voting and i gotta say im going with bush i i totally agree with most his decisions and takeing saddam outta power for sure i mean yea saddam did allow elections for the presidency in iraq but no one could really run against him without winding up dead one way or another if u call bush is actually doing stuff and is smart enough to relaize that redusing the american army is just plain dumb since without it where would we be now anyway ill be voting for bush
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