United States of Europe?

[Theresa]

Americans ARE America, Praetor. You can't say that you hate America, and "respect" Americans. Otherwise you hate a bunch of dirt and trees.

[Praetor]

And if I do hate the dirt and trees?

[Theresa]

Then apparently you have issues that have yet to be addressed, but I'm not going there.

Thank you for your cooperation.

[Praetor]

"Damn trees and dirt!" *Throws a pop can on the dirt, the sets it on fire* "That'll teach it." *Is then arrested for littering.*

[Seven of Nine]

My Country's official name is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. I think that's enough of a mouthful without adding "of the United States of Europe" to the end of it!

[Los]

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Ok...

Any valid points yet?

The US works so well because the states are, in fact, a part of a whole, individual in their own right, but more over, contribute to a bigger picture, the national government, military might, etc. If the National Economy suffers, so does the states. If the nationala economy is growing, so do the states. Its as simple as watching a ripple in the water. First, its small, only affecting the water around it. Soon, as it grows, it affects things around it, other ripples, grass, even gives it a mini ocean feel as it becomes a mini wave and washes across the lakeside beach.

If the EU were to become something like the US in regards to how the governments would be setup, disaster would befall the EU. There is no problem with organization, but its the way that each country feels it needs to represent itself. Creating a unified world under one banner isn't something that was thought up of ten, twenty, fifty years ago. Woodrow Wilson initiated the first plan of a world government, though not in so much words or the wording, but with the League of nations and the current UN, we see that nations, though very different in their approach to government, social issues, and overall technological and economical development, prove to us each day that they can cooperate and, in some ways, ally themselves with the big dogs in hopes that they can get some kind of economic sponsorship, etc.

Now, what does this have to do with anything?

Like some people have been pointing out is that when a country is taken in by another, the country loses its identity. We see it with Iraq as they struggle to realize themselves with their dictator gone. One day, they're loving Americans. The next day, they're protesting, demanding the US and coalition troops leave.

But we just saved them from a dictator, right?

Its funny how the circle of life revolves around people who, a, want power and b, have and control that power. The leaders of the EU do not want a nationalized Europe. No, that would cause utter pandemonium. Its better that they use the EU as is instead of jeapordizing the markets with blind companies and, in a sense, become the USSR of Europe, following a close suit to what the Soviets did until the late 80s. As crude as a comparison that would be, you can't very well compare a possible establishment of a United States of Europe and pretend that it'll run like the US.

Socio-economically speaking, there already is too much anti US feeling already. To pose yourself as another US of A would just incriminate you to feel the wrath of the rest of the world, to be scorned because of your wanting to be someone else. What goes in life goes in politics.

I ask you this: What good would come of a United Europe in the stead of the EU? Would you throw economic growth at me, stating that when the area is exposed to a centralized government, the money can grow and diversify in different degrees over what it can already? Would you cite that Europe would be unified as a whole, the first time since Hitler nearly ransacked the whole place? Or would it be more along the lines of a political coupe, constant battles for power, the president being assasinated every other year because one country-state feels that they're not being represented enough?

For every action, there is an opposite reaction, said Sir Isaac Newton. The EU and the US is far from perfect but imitating the US is only gonna get the French in more trouble.

[Qgirl]

The term United States of Europe was not made up with the intention of Europe copying the U.S of A's government. It was made up to show that Europe is united in Currency.
That in itself will make trading easier and Will help economic growth, because you would not have to change currency inbetween countires.
Though I do undestand you point in the unified government thing.
Though I don't think anyone (on a political level) was ever thinking of combining the countries under one Government.

It was only to show that, the one currency is a good idea.

[Los]

Yeah, the United States Euro Benjamin.

[crusherjaneway]

I believe in unity. But US of Europe? Hell no.

[Captain Dappet]

[white wolf]

we discussed this topic in economics class and pretty much everyone was against the idea of the USE and definately against Great Britain from joining the Euro, our country's economy is based on money and the exchange of money through banking and insurance, if we joined the Euro it would screw up our economy for ages. also if the was a USE, USA and rest of the world beware because they would exploit everyone and be pretty mean, they would equal the USA's power and some. it would not be good.

so I am aginst the United states of Europe

[Capt.Rene D'Hondt]

there is a United Europe its sorta like the merge of all the european contries but they still have there own land.........its just whr if u join ur Economic system gets integrated into the Euro's.It's about equal to US dollars i think or around there.

[Qgirl]

[Kyre]

[Zefram Cochrane]

I would hate it if we lost the Pound. I dont want to change to the Euro, i can't be botherd learning a new currency in school. Can i ask any French , Italiens out there who were anoyed at converitng?

[Jeremy]

I don't want the Euro, or a single Europe. Also it would cause a lot of conflict what language was used. I couldn't be bothered learing another language. Also if English wasn't the main language then it would be dropped, despite being a major would language.