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One of Many Lieutenant
Joined: 10 Nov 2002 Posts: 160 Location: Beta Tauri
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Tue May 20, 2003 12:47 pm United States of Europe? |
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United States of Europe?
Do you think there should be a United States of Europe? What are your thoughts in this matter?
Last edited by One of Many on Mon May 26, 2003 5:25 pm; edited 1 time in total
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ARMS Lieutenant
Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Posts: 157 Location: Wirral, UK
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Tue May 20, 2003 12:49 pm |
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I like the idea
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Josi Rockholt Fleet Admiral
Joined: 29 Dec 2001 Posts: 10136 Location: Boston, Ma
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Tue May 20, 2003 3:46 pm |
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I don't like it.
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Valathous The Canadian, eh
Joined: 31 Aug 2002 Posts: 19074 Location: Centre Bell
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Tue May 20, 2003 3:53 pm |
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leave Europe the way it is....... it's fine....
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harrykims#1fan Fan Girl Muskateer
Joined: 08 Feb 2002 Posts: 2916 Location: Leicester UK
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Wed May 21, 2003 5:30 am |
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let me say this now i do not agree with this united states of europe thingy cos it'd mean a drastic currency change which i also disagree with. i discussed this in business at school last week and everyone agreed it'd be bad for the economy
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Ksim3000 Rear Admiral
Joined: 27 Mar 2002 Posts: 4952 Location: United Kingdom
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Wed May 21, 2003 11:04 am |
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I prefer Europe the way it is although United States of Europe, has a nice ring to it.
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001 Posts: 7871 Location: North East England
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Thu May 22, 2003 4:48 pm |
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I don't agree... as for a major currency change, what do you think the Euro is? I just hope the UK doesn't join... I like my pounds and pennys well enough, thank you, and our country needs its own interest rates...
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One of Many Lieutenant
Joined: 10 Nov 2002 Posts: 160 Location: Beta Tauri
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Thu May 22, 2003 6:24 pm re |
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There are deeper issues here than Economy…but I didn’t expect any of you to understand. Thank you for the input regardless.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 27256 Location: United States of America
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Thu May 22, 2003 7:34 pm |
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I think it would take away from the individuality of each country, causing mass conformity. Allying yourself to someone is one thing, changing to fit them is quite another.
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Vortex Squeak Attack
Joined: 19 Jun 2002 Posts: 7170 Location: The Edge
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Fri May 23, 2003 2:57 am Re: re |
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One of Many wrote: | There are deeper issues here than Economy�but I didn�t expect any of you to understand. Thank you for the input regardless. |
A bit less degrading to our users is appreciated.
A united states of Europe doesn't excist and never will be. Nor will Europe ever call itself that. It is the European Union.
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Saoirse_Granger Lieutenant
Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 198 Location: Button Moon
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Fri May 23, 2003 7:32 am |
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I'm with Maquis - the EU is special because it allows the countries to be 'individual', not all the same. The quaintness of some smaller countries would be lost, I think, if they became states. Although I don't know very much about politics, economy etc., I don't think Britain should join the Euro. I wouldn't mind too much if we did, but yeah, it would be weird to adjust to it. Mind you, all the other countries adapted perfectly well.
Ok. I'm done confusing you all now...
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
Joined: 16 Jun 2001 Posts: 7871 Location: North East England
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Fri May 23, 2003 8:46 am |
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Actually, I was just trying to keep my answer simple. And yes, it is more than just economics. It's also very political. If England (and Great Britain as a whole, although I believe Scotland and Wales are capable enough to make their own decision on this) were to join the Euro, it would be under more pressure to conform to the rules of the EU, which in some cases would result in our having to relax some of our rules, for example on transportation of live animals. I like the way we are now, as how do Brussels know what's best for our country?
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Captain Dappet Forum Revolutionist
Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 16756 Location: On my supersonic rocket ship.
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Sat May 24, 2003 4:18 pm |
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If our Government in Sweden hands over power to Brussels I'll become hysteric. It robbs the countries of their individuality. Sweden is a member of EU. Which I hate. And there are soon to be voting if we should have Euros. No thank you, I say. I like our Kronors and �res very much and I dont want to change them.
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One of Many Lieutenant
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Sat May 24, 2003 6:16 pm re |
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I respect your opinions however selfish they may be.
I’m an optimistic person and I believe that we can unite as a species. It is time for us to stop fighting amongst our selves and focus on up and coming issues, such as the volatile nature of our solar system. It will only take one large meteor to destroy our world. Let’s stop having trivial arguments about non-existant gods and let’s stop arguing about how to divide the resources of our world (see: Oil in Iraq). We need to prepare for the future.
This is my point.
Now I am not saying that every country should hand over their identity and become equal. There does however need to be some form of worldwide constitution that helps to prevent war and terrorism allowing us to focus on more important issues, such as space exploration.
Wouldn’t you rather be climbing a mountain on Mars, than fighting a war against terrorism? I know I would.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Sat May 24, 2003 7:26 pm Re: re |
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One of Many wrote: | I respect your opinions however selfish they may be.
I’m an optimistic person and I believe that we can unite as a species. It is time for us to stop fighting amongst our selves and focus on up and coming issues, such as the volatile nature of our solar system. It will only take one large meteor to destroy our world. Let’s stop having trivial arguments about non-existant gods and let’s stop arguing about how to divide the resources of our world (see: Oil in Iraq). We need to prepare for the future.
This is my point.
Now I am not saying that every country should hand over their identity and become equal. There does however need to be some form of worldwide constitution that helps to prevent war and terrorism allowing us to focus on more important issues, such as space exploration.
Wouldn’t you rather be climbing a mountain on Mars, than fighting a war against terrorism? I know I would. |
Quote: | Do not post your personal beleifs as facts. If you want to post here, and discuss things, prepare to have your beleifs challenged.
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ARMS Lieutenant
Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Posts: 157 Location: Wirral, UK
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Sat May 24, 2003 7:29 pm |
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Why can't there be United States of Eastern Europe, they are all poor, unification could do em some good.
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Praetor The Architek
Joined: 25 Jul 2001 Posts: 4810 Location: Somewhere I possibly couldn't go...
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Mon May 26, 2003 5:59 am |
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OMG I can't believe people are actually considering this idea. lol It's like the States are the Borg, and they are assimilating other countries.
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Captain Dappet Forum Revolutionist
Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 16756 Location: On my supersonic rocket ship.
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Mon May 26, 2003 11:59 am |
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ARMS wrote: | Why can't there be United States of Eastern Europe, they are all poor, unification could do em some good. | There was. It was called the Soviet Union
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Ksim3000 Rear Admiral
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Mon May 26, 2003 3:05 pm |
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I really do hope we don't join The Euro since it would be robbing us of The Pound and all of it's history. The Pound first started in Roman Times so that's how far back it goes.
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1/1 Rear Admiral
Joined: 12 Apr 2002 Posts: 3311 Location: La La Land
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Fri May 30, 2003 3:03 pm |
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Seven of Nine wrote: | I don't agree... as for a major currency change, what do you think the Euro is? I just hope the UK doesn't join... I like my pounds and pennys well enough, thank you, and our country needs its own interest rates... |
Same as Seven of Nine
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Seven of Nine Sammie's Mammy
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Fri May 30, 2003 4:07 pm |
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Yeah.. and the Royal Mint's over 600 years old itself... it's the oldest mint in the world! We'd lose so much history! Also, it isn't surprising that our economy is more stable than Europe's at the moment
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Melodramatic Rear Admiral
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Sat May 31, 2003 1:17 pm |
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Seven of Nine wrote: | I don't agree... as for a major currency change, what do you think the Euro is? I just hope the UK doesn't join... I like my pounds and pennys well enough, thank you, and our country needs its own interest rates... |
I agree
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Qgirl Captain
Joined: 08 Jun 2003 Posts: 554 Location: Florida
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Mon Jun 09, 2003 1:07 am Re: United States of Europe? |
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One of Many wrote: | United States of Europe? |
In my economic class we read this magazine, and that was the headline for the front page. The article was basically about the new Euros. I found it very interesting.
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Qgirl Captain
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Mon Jun 09, 2003 1:17 am |
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Praetor wrote: | OMG I can't believe people are actually considering this idea. lol It's like the States are the Borg, and they are assimilating other countries. |
When people are saying United States of Europe, it is not the same country as the United States of America.
The term "United States" is just a prefix to the country, it means there is more then "one" state in the coutnry.
So it's not the United States of America assimilating other coutries, it's just other countries joining together (well currency wise anyway).
Although I hope people don't just throw away their old currency's since it's apart of their country's past. Altough this new form of currency will improve Europe's economy. My teacher said that in a few years the Euro could rival the United State's dollar in Value .
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Praetor The Architek
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Mon Jun 09, 2003 8:14 pm |
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If my country began with "United States of" I'd kill myself.
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