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Pah-Wraith
Sheikh
Joined: 30 Nov 2001
Posts: 6012
Location: Londonistan.
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 Sun May 11, 2003 9:49 am |
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Well ever since the dominion War ended DS9 has never been the same, the books don't really give me that feeling I guess coz Sisko is gone but Maybe the E-E could take out DS9, couldn't really say whether it could or couldn't just remember though Sisko and the Prophets wouldn't let anything destroy Ds9 
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Captain Browning
Lieutenant
Joined: 13 May 2003
Posts: 143
Location: In the Delta quadrant
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| Tue May 13, 2003 9:12 pm Most of you are nuts |
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First let's set some paramiters.1st what section of space are we in? 2nd how many borg Vessals (cubes and spheres) are there? 3rd is this Ds9 with the adaptations from Voyager before or after "End Game" when it had the modifications? 4th lets take into consideration how fast the Borg will adapt to the new modifications. 5th Is ds9 alone in this fight with the Borg? 6th how much fuel does the Ds9 ship have? the Borg? 7th have there been any breakthroughs in Technology that might help Ds9? 8th Is the Crew of Ds9 going to use a virus to infect the Borg? 9th How close is Ds9 to a planet? 10th how many weapons does Ds9 have? Answer this and we can converse on the subject at hand.
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Lindley
Vice Admiral
Joined: 18 Sep 2001
Posts: 6194
Location: Fairfax, VA
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| Wed May 14, 2003 9:50 am |
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^DS9 had 5,000 photon torpedoes, and integrated phaser banks on all levels.
Against one cube, they'd at least have a pretty good chance.
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Captain Michael Pike
Captain
Joined: 14 Jul 2001
Posts: 597
Location: PA
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| Mon May 19, 2003 9:35 am Re: Most of you are nuts |
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| Captain Browning wrote: | | First let's set some paramiters.1st what section of space are we in? 2nd how many borg Vessals (cubes and spheres) are there? 3rd is this Ds9 with the adaptations from Voyager before or after "End Game" when it had the modifications? 4th lets take into consideration how fast the Borg will adapt to the new modifications. 5th Is ds9 alone in this fight with the Borg? 6th how much fuel does the Ds9 ship have? the Borg? 7th have there been any breakthroughs in Technology that might help Ds9? 8th Is the Crew of Ds9 going to use a virus to infect the Borg? 9th How close is Ds9 to a planet? 10th how many weapons does Ds9 have? Answer this and we can converse on the subject at hand. |
1. We would be in the Denorios Belt of the Bajoran Sector of space.
2. Since the Borg have always sent only one cube against the Federation, we should assume that it would be the same against DS9.
3. It would have to be the DS9 before the Voyager episode Endgame since we have no real data to conclude that the Federation has modified all its ships to include this new technology. Or perhaps we do, Enterprise-E was not equipped with either Ablative Armor generators or Transphasic torpedoes which is maybe the best arguement that the Federation did NOT, in fact, modify its starsgips to include the advanced tech.
4. Since the Borg are consistent, let's say that they can adapt as usual and since DS9 is not equipped with new tech, you may also assume that the Borg have already seen and adapted to most of DS9's technology before.
5. DS9 would probably not be alone, since the new DS9 books kind of fall under the dominion of canon Star Trek, we can assume that it would already have a small but significant force of ships which could come to it's aid. First, the Defiant and the Akira class ship both still part of the DS9 defense force, the Trager (Gul Macet's ship) and a number of small ships like the runabouts and Bajoran fighter ships. On the other hand, DS9 would be forced to hold their own for several hours, most likely, before any sizable force could be assembled and sent to their defense.
Let's say that 6, 7 and 8 are irrelevant. Dilithium is recrystalllized by the warp core in new starships. Deuterium is collected by the bussard collectors from the surrounding space so fuel is of minimal concern. We've seen the new tech but have established that it probably hasn't been utilkized by Starfleet at this time. We've also seen the virus, which was abandoned by Picard because of its moral implications. Let's say that Kira would likely not commit genocide (considering her past).
9. DS9 is hours away from Bajor (Specifically I think it's about four hours from Bajor). Bajor's own militia is ill equipped to defend DS9 from the Borg, its starships are impulse only and their weapons are fifty years outdated.
10. DS9's current cinfiguration consists of two types of phaser arrays, the type 10 and the newer type 11 planetary defense emitters and can fire in a near 360 degree arc across the xyz axis. A single one-third wedge of DS9 has a defensive perimeter which would require more than fifteen Galor class vessels to overwhelm. In, total it would require a minimal force of sixty to seventy Galor class starships to overwhelm DS9. Ds9 is also equipped with not only photon but also quantum torpedoes according to the DS9 tech manual. The launchers have a rate of 6 torpedoes every 2.3 seconds with a reload time of 15.3 seconds. Each launcher is equipped with multiple bays so that even tubes can be fired seperately from the odd tubes, maximizing launch and reload times while minimizing the inability to fire at any given moment. 5,000 torpedoes is the minimal amount of torpedoes established in the episodes The Emissary and Way of the Warrior, but if I had to guess, with all the action DS9 has seen, the number is much more significant than 5,000.
I guess now you may discuss....
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Mr. Pike
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 21 Jun 2003
Posts: 70
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| Sun Jun 22, 2003 12:06 am |
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In way of the worrior DS9 was fighting a losing battle even Sisco admitted to that. If the Klingons hadn't punked up they could have won. So don't you guys start talking about the Borg losing against a stationary orbiting base station. That has no logic in it. The Enterprise turned tail and hid in a gas nebula and you saw how many ships were wipped out at Wolf 359 don't you?
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sabertooth1217
UPN Boycotter
Joined: 21 Jun 2003
Posts: 11484
Location: Texas
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| Tue Jun 24, 2003 11:57 am |
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| Tyvek wrote: | | Does anyone else think the Borg should have tried to assimilate DS9. If they did who would win? |
i think ds9 would win in the end but it depends on how many borg ships were sent and how many starfleet ships are sent also
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1nsane
Freshman Cadet
Joined: 31 Jul 2003
Posts: 8
Location: canada
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| Thu Jul 31, 2003 10:34 pm why dont the borg .... |
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on "the best of both both worlds parts 1 and 2 " and the movie "first contact" the borg sent 1 cube why dont thay send 15 or more or better yet why havent the borg devloped a clokeing device.
and why havent thay made a trans warp portal to earths dor step like in st:voyarer endgame. 
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captain_muller0770
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
Posts: 96
Location: USS Sovereign(bridge)
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| Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:51 pm |
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They should have made an episode with the Borg and DS9 would have win 
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captain_muller0770
Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
Posts: 96
Location: USS Sovereign(bridge)
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| Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:52 pm |
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They should have made an episode with the Borg and DS9 would have win
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