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EnsignParis
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 Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:37 pm How does warp work without sending you through time? |
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This has probably been asked a bunch of times...someone told me that the ships dont actually go that fast, but rather warp drives bend space...but I thought that was a co-axial warp drive, and not a standard warp drive...so how do these guys not end up in like 80000 A.D. after spending a good few days at 900c or so (besides the fact that it is just a tv show).
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Zeke Zabertini
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| Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:58 am |
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Only theories Mr. Paris. Remember, as we have never actually gone that fast, we have no idea what would really happen.
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Hitomi
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| Fri Mar 14, 2003 8:00 am |
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This place has the answer to your question
www.ditl.org
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PrankishSmart
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| Fri Mar 14, 2003 10:41 am |
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Well I never thought about this, maybe the warp nacells compensate for the time change.
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tom_88_2
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| Sat Mar 15, 2003 11:40 pm |
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could be
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iamstarfleet
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| Sun Mar 23, 2003 5:51 pm Re: How does warp work without sending you through time? |
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According to Star Trek: The Return, it is the antigrav generators on a starship that prevent time distortion by keeping you grounded, in effect.
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Hyper
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| Mon Apr 07, 2003 9:26 pm |
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Because the engines are WARP engines. They warp space time (dimensions 1-4) to achieve these velocities. You cant break einstiens theory (but basically law) of relativity, so they go around it. Because of that, normal space time rules dont apply. Dont ask me what rules do, I havent travelled at warp!
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Los
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| Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:50 am |
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Yes you did. How do you think you got to my house so fast???
My warpship = ZOOM ZOOM
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Lt.BirdGod
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Hey Iamstarfleet, you said:
According to Star Trek: The Return, it is the antigrav generators on a starship that prevent time distortion by keeping you grounded, in effect.
HOW DO ANTIGRAVITY GENERATORS KEEP FROM TRAVELING THROUGH TIME?????
Secondly, why are there antigravity generators on a starship that floats through space, I.E. -- NO GRAVITY MEANS YOU DONT NEED ANTIGRAVITY GENERATORS......
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iamstarfleet
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If you want to complain, Lt.BirdGod, then complain to William Shatner. I just read the books!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lt.BirdGod
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| Wed Apr 09, 2003 9:16 pm |
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I'm not complaining, just giving constructive criticism if Mr. Shatner decides to read
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Hyper
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| Sun Apr 13, 2003 8:05 pm |
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| Lt.BirdGod wrote: | Hey Iamstarfleet, you said:
According to Star Trek: The Return, it is the antigrav generators on a starship that prevent time distortion by keeping you grounded, in effect.
HOW DO ANTIGRAVITY GENERATORS KEEP FROM TRAVELING THROUGH TIME?????
Secondly, why are there antigravity generators on a starship that floats through space, I.E. -- NO GRAVITY MEANS YOU DONT NEED ANTIGRAVITY GENERATORS...... |
Ahhh, I see where Iamstarfleet is going with this. Perhaps he means the Inertial Damping System. The IDS works by creating an opposing force on the entire ship to prevent it being torn apart by massive acceleration forces. Theoretically, the entire ship wouldnt suffer from any acceleration effect. Therefore, if they havent accelerated, they still have the same energy level and therefore relativity isnt applicable. Obviously, its all a bit contradicting because todays science cant comprehend such a system working and the ship would implode under the massive compessive stress!
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EnsignParis
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| Tue Apr 15, 2003 10:50 am |
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| Hyper wrote: | | Lt.BirdGod wrote: | Hey Iamstarfleet, you said:
According to Star Trek: The Return, it is the antigrav generators on a starship that prevent time distortion by keeping you grounded, in effect.
HOW DO ANTIGRAVITY GENERATORS KEEP FROM TRAVELING THROUGH TIME?????
Secondly, why are there antigravity generators on a starship that floats through space, I.E. -- NO GRAVITY MEANS YOU DONT NEED ANTIGRAVITY GENERATORS...... |
Ahhh, I see where Iamstarfleet is going with this. Perhaps he means the Inertial Damping System. The IDS works by creating an opposing force on the entire ship to prevent it being torn apart by massive acceleration forces. Theoretically, the entire ship wouldnt suffer from any acceleration effect. Therefore, if they havent accelerated, they still have the same energy level and therefore relativity isnt applicable. Obviously, its all a bit contradicting because todays science cant comprehend such a system working and the ship would implode under the massive compessive stress! |
But then the ship would be subject to relativity, so the ship's hull would age MUCH MUCH faster than the crew, and it would deteriorate in a matter of days, or even minutes, just from sheer age.
Relativity is a very confusing concept.
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Hyper
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| Thu Apr 17, 2003 4:59 am |
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But then the ship would be subject to relativity, so the ship's hull would age MUCH MUCH faster than the crew, and it would deteriorate in a matter of days, or even minutes, just from sheer age.
Relativity is a very confusing concept.[/quote]
No the ship wouldnt age, because the IDS works on the ship as well. If it didnt, it'd be ripped to pieces. The whole ship is exempt from relativity.
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Saoirse_Granger
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| Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:26 am |
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I'd also quite like to know how there are different speeds of warp travel. It just confuses me, but I've never really been all that interested in Science. Or Astrophysics if that's what you want to call it.
If you go at warp nine, is that the only time you disappear in a flash of blue light? Or is the flash just there to distract you from the fact that it's all just pretend and they don't know how the hell to film a little cardboard Enterprise zooming at impulse around the neutral zone!?!
Sorry to sound so sceptical, but it probably doesn't kmake any sense anyway. My question I mean....
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Los
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| Thu Apr 17, 2003 9:28 am |
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At this point, we can't even slow ourselves down; why do we need to go faster?
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PrankishSmart
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| Thu Apr 17, 2003 11:11 am |
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Now theres an intresting thought, how do we define stopped dead in space.
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Los
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| Thu Apr 17, 2003 8:11 pm |
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SPACE BRAKES!
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stv12
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| Fri May 23, 2003 10:28 pm |
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| Los wrote: | SPACE BRAKES!
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lol...In theroy you can't stop in space, unless something causes it to. you can NEVER stay still in space. Unless you bang in something yo would, but other than that you cant stop in space.
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Captain Leah Manzer
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| Fri May 23, 2003 11:38 pm |
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but i guess they but have figured a way to beat that when they started using warp.
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Mr. Pike
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| Sun Jun 22, 2003 12:42 am |
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Warp Speed is regulated by the warp field which surrounds it. The warp field creats the stability which keeps the warp speed from becoming a time warp.
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Lt.BirdGod
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| Sun Jun 22, 2003 3:33 pm |
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| stv12 wrote: | | Los wrote: | SPACE BRAKES!
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lol...In theroy you can't stop in space, unless something causes it to. you can NEVER stay still in space. Unless you bang in something yo would, but other than that you cant stop in space. |
Forward thrusters. The computer computates the amount of thrust it would require for the ship to come to a dead halt, and fires.
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