Honour in Iraq

PicardsTrueLove · **Sat Mar 29, 2003 6:49 pm**

1) (Why don't you call Hitler "Adolph"? Does he deserve more respect than Hussein?)
2) There seems to me to be something a little fishy about that. Call me a cynic but I have little faith in the US government to simply manage the trust without wringing it for every extra cent they can get. We'll also be spending $80 billion on this war.
3) The original idea was to create the government that the Iraqi people wanted. If that means an Islamic state, I do not believe the US will simply sit idly by and allow that to happen. We would call it a threat to National Security and force them to change the way they governed themselves. Somehow forced democracy sounds more imperical than philanthropic.

Theresa · **Sat Mar 29, 2003 6:54 pm**

^Because that is how history, not I has named them. I wasn't around when ADOLPH was.
And that's your opinion about the US. I'm posting the facts, as they are now, of what will happen. The future is always open for speculation, and I'm not even going to try to debate that. Hell, the world could end before long.
As for an Islamic state, I don't think they'll care. Well, let me rephrase, as long as it will be a stable government, that cannot arbitrarily kill it's citizens, and attack others, because they feel they should.

PicardsTrueLove · **Sat Mar 29, 2003 6:56 pm**

Theresa · **Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:00 pm**

"Facts as they are now"..... I do beleive that is what I said. A fact, as I know it now, is that I will wake up in the morning, and go to Sunday School with my family. Another fact, as I know it now, is that my pastor will not be there, because he had to leave town today. Like I said, anyone of those things could change. But right now, it is a fact. We are saying the same thing on this subject, just using different words.

PicardsTrueLove · **Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:15 pm**

LightningBoy · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 2:29 am**

I never resorted to insults. I said if. Nobody ever admitted to the criteria of my if. So nobody has the insults put on them. If someone does though, I still stand by my comments.

LightningBoy · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 2:29 am**

LightningBoy · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 2:39 am**

[quote="PicardsTrueLove"]

PicardsTrueLove · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:11 am**

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Theresa · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:34 pm**

^Or at least statistics that don't prove what you say. There are plenty that are contrary to you, but, they are all "fictitious",

PicardsTrueLove · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:20 pm**

Theresa · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:32 pm**

PicardsTrueLove · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 5:11 pm**

Give me a quote to prove that and I'll conceed. ((

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Theresa · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 5:16 pm**

Theresa · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 5:22 pm**

http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/iraq/nirqinde.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/index/iraq/nirq050.htm

If you remember correctly, the war in '91 was also a coalition.

PicardsTrueLove · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 7:35 pm**

In '91 I was 3.

Theresa · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 7:37 pm**

PicardsTrueLove · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 7:40 pm**

I just don't blindly trust the information the people of any country receives from its press, including our country. History has taught us (WWI) that so called "yellow journalism" is possible and sometimes endorsed by the government (history text book). Therefore, I am not inclined to trust our government's sources. I guess I learned that from my family.

Theresa · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 7:43 pm**

That's why you find corroboration.

Starbuck · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 8:54 pm**

I can only immagin that the iraqi people would fight and die for their country and leader much as most American's and the rest of the whole planet and here we are critisizing (sp?) the iraqis for doing that same thing *sighs and rolls eyes*

Theresa · **Sun Mar 30, 2003 9:01 pm**

Seven of Nine · **Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:44 pm**

All governments lie, and hide things. In fact, even the government of this site (AKA the moderators) don't reveal everything to everyone (although I can't remember a time when we've lied). It's normal. It's to protect those who may be harmed by the information. If I decided to join MI5 (I don't plan to, I want to be a programmer or web designer) I'd have to go through loads of security checks and interviews to ensure I was suitable, and I was trustworthy enough to handle sensitive and confidential material. They call it vetting

(http://www.mi5.gov.uk). A similar things goes for the FBI. Why? Because of the way humans are. We fight, and do things that are wrong, therefore we need to ensure that for the safety of the country that the public doesn't know everything. I'll give you an example. My mum got raped last year. She wasn't coping well, and asked Social Services for help. Social Services didn't provide any help, but decided to hold a child protection conference. The school governer got wind, and turned up. She wasn't meant to be there, and word got around the parents at the school, and the kids got picked on. The school had told the governer, and these conferences are meant to be confidential. Due to this the kids haven't been able to go to school, and my mum now has to move out of the area. Imagine something like that happening with confidential material over Iraq. Could be devistating.

OK, I rambled along too much now, and I'll shut up, cos I don't think I made any sense anyway

PicardsTrueLove · **Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:48 pm**