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are you for or against the war
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PostThu Mar 27, 2003 10:04 pm    WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK

what do you all think of all the radio stations no longer playing dixy chicks songs on the radio just because they said some things about the pres


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PostThu Mar 27, 2003 10:43 pm    

I'm not sure what your on about the radio stations things, but I am for the most part, for the war.

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PostThu Mar 27, 2003 10:57 pm    

the lead singer on the dixie chicks said something bad about the president and now most radio stations arent playing their songs. But, I myself, am for the war


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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 7:15 am    

I'm against the war, and as for the radio stations not playing songs from people who voiced their opinions, that's crap.


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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 10:01 am    

blah blah blah blah kill Saddam blah blah blah blah blah not about blah oil blah blah blah blah blah blah blah nuke blah blah blah Baghdad blah blah blah blah by Saddam blah blah blah blah.

BLAH.




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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 10:51 am    

^^Notice how no one gives Arab people the respect that they give Western leaders. We call the president Bush, the cabinet members by their last names (Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Powell, etc.). But when it comes to Arab leaders (even if they are crappy ones)? Saddam. Osama. We give them none of the respect that we give our leaders. We even remember Adolph Hitler by his last name, but he was white: a member of the Western culture. Think about it.


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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 11:00 am    

they did what they thought was right Im not going to complain and Im all for the war lets blow sadam to hell if no one else has the backbone to do it we should


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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 11:03 am    

WE'RE NOT ONLY DESTROYING HUSSEIN. We're destroying Baghdad, Basra, Umm Qasr: we're destroying morale.


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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 12:31 pm    

Im for the war because after all it was Bin-lon and suddom who hurt use right in the heart when they had those planes crash into the twin towers, the pendagon, and the field in pennislavina so I say there are some things worth fighting for yeah so what if it is the next world war but after what they did to use on 9/11 im 100% of War.


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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 1:08 pm    

PicardsTrueLove wrote:
WE'RE NOT ONLY DESTROYING HUSSEIN. We're destroying Baghdad, Basra, Umm Qasr: we're destroying morale.


Then explain to me why the Iraqi people want us in there doing what we're doing? You do know that we have only destroyed Military sections of Baghdad, and military sections of the other cities.

Sure there's been some collateral damage, but the Iraqi people think it's worth it.

We've killed less than 50 civilians, and less than 50 Coalition soldires. Hold that up against the 100,000+ people Sadam's killed then tell me it's wrong.



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 3:05 pm    

LightningBoy wrote:
PicardsTrueLove wrote:
WE'RE NOT ONLY DESTROYING HUSSEIN. We're destroying Baghdad, Basra, Umm Qasr: we're destroying morale.


Then explain to me why the Iraqi people want us in there doing what we're doing? You do know that we have only destroyed Military sections of Baghdad, and military sections of the other cities.

Sure there's been some collateral damage, but the Iraqi people think it's worth it.

We've killed less than 50 civilians, and less than 50 Coalition soldires. Hold that up against the 100,000+ people Sadam's killed then tell me it's wrong.


Those figures are phoney and it doesn't take every much to see that. The civilian citizens of Baghdad fear for their lives. Yes Hussein has caused great harm to his country, but the honour of the people is at stake. Imagine the Klingons being defended by another more powerful but corrupt race. Their honour would be irrevocably damaged. Can we destroy the morale of a people in good conscience? Who are we to determine the course of evolution for their society?



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 5:43 pm    

So Saddam Hussein putting AA guns on the roofs of hospitals, that's phony? Saddam Hussein's little ninja boys putting bullets through the heads of citizens who refuse to fight for him, that's also phony? And the pics of the Iraqi's running to the soldiers, and thanking them, that's also phony?
How about the Iraqi military shooting SEVEN coalition soldiers that had already SURRENDERED. And you think they are deserving of honor.



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 6:18 pm    

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So Saddam Hussein putting AA guns on the roofs of hospitals, that's phony? Saddam Hussein's little ninja boys putting bullets through the heads of citizens who refuse to fight for him, that's also phony? And the pics of the Iraqi's running to the soldiers, and thanking them, that's also phony?
How about the Iraqi military shooting SEVEN coalition soldiers that had already SURRENDERED. And you think they are deserving of honor.


No no no that's not what I meant. I meant the figures about the casualties are completely wrong. The Iraqis do not fight with established war laws: they do horrific things. So do we. I don't feel that we have the right to play God. I agree that Hussein should be removed from power, but the way that we got into this war is wrong and Imperialistic. I support our troops in their execution of their objectives, but I strongly disapprove of the amount of propaganda and deceit (from both sides) that has so far been employed.



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 6:25 pm    

^So how did you see it done? Do you see SH just "going away"? Because I certainly don't. And he's got the Iraqi's terrified of him. And it's only natural they're scared. If someone threatens to kill your family..............

And all of those alleged prostitutes that he had beheaded........ Nothing short of military action is going to remove this regime. He's a terrorist, they don't just go away.

They attacked the WTC, we did nothing, they attacked Bali, we did nothing, they attacked the Cole, we did nothing.......... When do we do something? How many need die because of an insane madman?



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 6:27 pm    

And I have no idea how absolute the figures are, but I do know that there are a few thousand Iraqi POWs. There is a military base near here, and they are sending out meds and supplies to the ships, etc... where the POWs are being held. Here we are giving them meds and food, clean clothes and a warm place to sleep, and our guys get shot, unarmed. You'll excuse me if that pisses me off a bit.


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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 6:40 pm    

Maquis74656 wrote:
^So how did you see it done? Do you see SH just "going away"? Because I certainly don't. And he's got the Iraqi's terrified of him. And it's only natural they're scared. If someone threatens to kill your family..............

And all of those alleged prostitutes that he had beheaded........ Nothing short of military action is going to remove this regime. He's a terrorist, they don't just go away.

They attacked the WTC, we did nothing, they attacked Bali, we did nothing, they attacked the Cole, we did nothing.......... When do we do something? How many need die because of an insane madman?


Hold on a minute: Saddam Hussein has no proven connection to Al Quaeda. He did not have a hand in those attacks. I am horrified by his actions and I agree that he needs to be removed from power, but it needed to be the US helping the Iraqi resistance to do it, not the US fighting on the behalf of a population who doesn't trust us in the first place. I AGREE that Hussein's actions are horrendous, I AGREE that he should not be allowed to stay in power. I DO NOT AGREE that we have the right to determine the course of evolution for the people of Iraq. We can help them to take action, not take the action from them.



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 6:47 pm    

^I think you forget that that is not what this war is about. This war is about the fact that SH would not disarm after 12 years of being ordered to do so. And I find it amazing that so many chemical components that he claimed not to have have been found.
The freeing of the Iraqi population is a side effect. A wonderful one, but a side effect none the less.

And more and more links are showing up between Al Qaeda and SH. General Franks gave a short breifing on the very subject a short time ago. I'll see if there's any text of this speech online.



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 6:53 pm    

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^I think you forget that that is not what this war is about. This war is about the fact that SH would not disarm after 12 years of being ordered to do so. And I find it amazing that so many chemical components that he claimed not to have have been found.
The freeing of the Iraqi population is a side effect. A wonderful one, but a side effect none the less.

And more and more links are showing up between Al Qaeda and SH. General Franks gave a short breifing on the very subject a short time ago. I'll see if there's any text of this speech online.


At it's face, yes the war is supposedly about disarming Hussein. At it's heart? OIL. MONEY. And WE GAVE HIM HIS CHEMICAL WEAPONS. We said, "Here Hussein, be a good boy and keep Iran out of our hair while we profit from your oil." It was ok then! Our country has a problem with mood swings.

As for links between Al Quaeda and Iraq, the purpose of the war is unchanged.



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 6:56 pm    

Do you know how much oil the US gets from Iraq? Please do a little research and tell me. I myself know, because I did the research, but I want to see what your reaction is when you find out.
And to keep the stability, if that's what you want to call it, at the time, America and others helped the Ba'ath party oust the current ruling party. That much is fact, no one is disputing that. THEN SH was the lesser of two evils. To be totally factual, it wasn't even SH who was being supported.



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 7:02 pm    

Maquis74656 wrote:
Do you know how much oil the US gets from Iraq? Please do a little research and tell me. I myself know, because I did the research, but I want to see what your reaction is when you find out.
And to keep the stability, if that's what you want to call it, at the time, America and others helped the Ba'ath party oust the current ruling party. That much is fact, no one is disputing that. THEN SH was the lesser of two evils. To be totally factual, it wasn't even SH who was being supported.


It's the principle that counts: I have no doubt that we have received little oil from Hussein because he could care less if his citizens starve to death because of our sanctions.

The fact remains however that we put Hussein into power and helped him to keep it until it was incovenient for us. We have a long history of committing acts such as these. The CIA used the Iranian government to our own advantage during the Cold War, we told other nations to ignore the Palestinian Declaration of Independence, we CREATED the modern map of the Middle East (with help from the British and some other European countries). We are most certainly not the only offenders, but we are certainly some of the worst.



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 7:07 pm    

Yup, lets blame America. Doing what they, and others, think is best at the time, trying to save lives and perserve the tenuous peace. Whatever we do always comes back to bite us in the ass. I think we should withdraw all peacekeeping troops, call in all loans, and let the rest of the world go at it. Sit over here and isolate ourselves while childeren and women, and the elderly are massacred. And don't say that alot of that wouldn't happen, because we'd bankrupt alot of countries. We are the youngest "superpower", but we've also given the most. Huh. Odd.


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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 7:10 pm    

Maquis74656 wrote:
Yup, lets blame America. Doing what they, and others, think is best at the time, trying to save lives and perserve the tenuous peace. Whatever we do always comes back to bite us in the ass. I think we should withdraw all peacekeeping troops, call in all loans, and let the rest of the world go at it. Sit over here and isolate ourselves while childeren and women, and the elderly are massacred. And don't say that alot of that wouldn't happen, because we'd bankrupt alot of countries. We are the youngest "superpower", but we've also given the most. Huh. Odd.


All sarcasm notwithstanding, I think that our country needs to clean up its act. I am NOT by any means trying to remove the blame from the tyrants of our world, but I AM trying to emphasize the US policy of action and apology instead of consideration of morality. Maybe I'm idealistic: in that case, I will gladly take credit for being so and argue just the same.



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 7:17 pm    

I'm by no means saying that I think this war is a mistake, but I am questioning one thing.

Is the US not allowed to make errors? If so, why? We're only 227 years old, but we're supposed to be perfect while all of these others who are centuries old are allowed.........

We have made mistakes in the past, everyone knows that. But why is it when the US does something, we're scum? We're overbearing self righteous jerks? Can anyone say, "double standard"?



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 7:18 pm    

Maquis74656 wrote:
I'm by no means saying that I think this war is a mistake, but I am questioning one thing.

Is the US not allowed to make errors? If so, why? We're only 227 years old, but we're supposed to be perfect while all of these others who are centuries old are allowed.........

We have made mistakes in the past, everyone knows that. But why is it when the US does something, we're scum? We're overbearing self righteous jerks? Can anyone say, "double standard"?


I believe that we are too headstrong for our own good. We don't admit our mistakes to the world community before blundering into new ones. For a country which claims to be so enlightened, we can often be an immoral people.



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PostFri Mar 28, 2003 7:22 pm    

On the immoral part, you'd get no argument from me. And the US has admitted mistakes more so than others. But once you start getting attacked constantly, wouldn't your back go up? If we sit at home, and let the world go at it, we're isolationists. If we help, even when the country asks, we're interfering.


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