Is a war on Iraq Justified??

[Theresa]

It's a joke, guys. TARGET. Get it?

[Theresa]

What we shall soon see if things aren't resolved.

[Seven of Nine]

Message from jonathan95- nice plane. love the tomcats myself

Message from me: Nice plane Interesting photo. Now, I want everything to be over and done with my next week

[Seven of Nine]

Message from jonathan95- nice plane. I like the tomcats myself.

Message from me- Nice plane Interesting photo. Now I just want everything to be resolved my next week (Well, I can hope, can't I? )

[PrankishSmart]

[Los]

Nice, F14 Tomcat. But this one is better:

[Theresa]

[Los]

France and Germany are being gay.

16-3? Pfft. They might as well join forces with Iraq.



Or maybe that's what happened in the first place....

[sevenofninerocks]

I don't want a war. I'm afraid Saddam might use his weapons on us at that time. I also understand that if we don't stop him, he may use them anyway in the future. So looks like either way it's going to be ugly.

[Theresa]

<~~~ Doesn't want a war, either. Several of my friends have been recently activated, and the base here has been busy.
Understanding the need for something doesn't mean it's something you want.

[Red Quacker]

[Seven of Nine]

My beliefs are currently in a muddle. I hate war, I want only peace, but if there s a second UN resolution I feel that Iraq should be attacked. However, I don't want the US and the UK to go it alone.

[Theresa]

[Seven of Nine]

OK, what I meabt is my views are the same as 49% of the British population.. we should attack Iraq but only with a second resolution.

[Theresa]

Does he get as many "get out of jail free cards" with this new resolution as he did with the last? I mean, really, it's been what? 12 years?

[Seven of Nine]

I hope this second resolution says "either get out or we'll attack". It's not going to, but I can hope

I don't want there to be any "get out of jail free" cards... I want prove now that he's disarmed, or for us to attack... but I'm not a politician.

[Theresa]

[Theresa]

I came across this. Not sure where it fit, but thought it was worth posting.


American Disasters......
Post #1
quote

AMERICAN DISASTERS......

A little political review,
a time to think & remember...
From a Navy man...

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured
1,000;

President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down
and punished.


After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military
personnel;

Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.


After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and
injured 200 U.S. military personnel;

Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.


After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and
injured 5,000;

Clinton promised that those responsible! would be hunted down and punished.


After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39
U.S. sailors;

Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.


Maybe if Clinton had kept his promise, an estimated 3,000 people in New
York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.

AN INTERESTING QUESTION:
This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show.

Without casting stones, it is a legitimate question.

There are two men, both extremely wealthy.

One develops relatively cheap software and gives billions of

dollars to charity. The other sponsors terrorism.

That being the case, why was it that the Clinton Administration spent
more money chasing down Bill Gates over the past eight years than Osama
bin Laden?

THINK ABOUT IT!
It is a strange turn of events.


Hillary gets $8 Million for her forthcoming memoir.
Bill gets about $12 Million for his memoir yet to be written.

This from two people who have spent the past 8 years being unable to
recall anything about past events while under oath!

Sincerely,
Cmdr Hamilton McWhorter
USN(ret)

[Los]

I always thought Clinton was a dumbass.

Atleast we have a president that, whether the eventuality has yet to be determined, will step up and fight for what's right.

[Theresa]

UNITED NATIONS (Feb. 14) - Chief U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix told the Security Council on Friday his teams have not uncovered any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq but that Saddam Hussein has not accounted for many banned weapons that his government is suspected of having.

Blix's counterpart, nuclear chief Mohamed ElBaradei, told the council that inspectors found no evidence Iraq had resumed its nuclear weapons program and said inspectors could do their job without Iraq's full cooperation.

The reports, far more measured than the harsh assessments the inspectors issued two weeks ago to the council, were strong fodder for Russia, France and China, which responded with calls for continued inspections and resisted any move toward war.

An angry-looking Secretary of State Colin Powell warned the world not to be taken in by ''tricks that are being played on us.''

''The threat of force must remain,'' Powell said, adding that Iraq was strengthening its links with terror groups. ''We cannot wait for one of these terrible weapons to turn up in our cities.''

China, France and Russia, which all hold veto-power on the council, said inspections were working.

''There is one point of principle that we all must answer: Must the inspectors continue their work in Iraq in the interest of a political settlement? Are the conditions there? Russia answers yes to that question,'' Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said.

His remarks, like those of French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin, were greeted by applause. The rare response caught the council by surprise and led German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer to ask for order inside the chamber.

''Only when we go along the line of political settlement can we truly live up to the trust and hope the international community places in the Security Council,'' Chinese Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan said.

De Villepin said U.N. inspections, which resumed in November after a four-year break, ''are producing results'' and should continue.

The inspectors spoke at a crucial council meeting that could determine whether the United States gets U.N. backing for military action against Iraq for failing to disarm. The United States and Britain say they are willing to go to war against Iraq without U.N. backing, but would prefer to have it.

With Powell listening from his seat across a horseshoe-shaped table, Blix cast doubt on evidence Powell provided to the council last week claiming that Iraq had cleaned-up suspect sites before inspectors arrived.

Pointing to one case Powell highlighted using satellite photos of a munitions depot, Blix said: ''The reported movement of munitions at the site could just as easily have been a routine activity'' as one designed to hide banned materials before inspections.

''In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance that the inspectors were coming,'' Blix said.

Hours before the U.N. presentations, Saddam decreed a ban on all weapons of mass destruction from Iraq, a longtime U.N. demand. The White House scoffed at the announcement.

Blix said it was significant that ''many proscribed weapons and items are not accounted for.''

As an example, he cited a document that suggested some 1,000 tons of chemical agent were unaccounted for. Although he said he could not conclude the chemicals still exited, there was no proof that they had been destroyed.''

Blix also reported findings by a panel of experts that one of Iraq's new missile systems exceeds the range limit set by Security Council resolutions.

''The experts concluded that, based on the data provided by Iraq, the two declared variants of the Al Samoud 2 missile were capable of exceeding 150 kilometers (93 miles) in range. This missile system is therefore proscribed for Iraq,'' Blix said.

Blix said additional information was needed on a second missile, the Al Fatah, before deciding if it was in violation.

Blix said private interviews with three Iraqi scientists ''proved informative,'' but since the interviews conducted in Baghdad on Feb. 8-9 no more had been done in private - ''on our terms.''

''I hope this will change,'' he said. ''We feel that interviews conducted without any third party present and without tape recording would provide the greatest credibility.''

Under intense pressure, Iraq agreed earlier this month to prod scientists to agree to private interviews. Previously, all scientists insisted on being accompanied by an Iraqi official or having their interview tape recorded.

Blix said there were 250 U.N. personnel now in Iraq, including about 115 inspectors. He said there had been more than 400 inspections at 300 sites since the process began in November.

In his report, ElBaradei said, as he did in the previous report, that inspectors found no evidence Iraq had restarted its nuclear weapons program.

In addition, he said, inspectors did not need Iraqi cooperation.

''The IAEA's experience in nuclear verification shows that it is possible, particularly with an intrusive verification system, to assess the presence or absence of a nuclear weapons program in a state even without the full co-operation of the inspected state,'' ElBaradei said.

ElBaradei said the matter of high-strength aluminum tubes which Iraq tried to import had not been closed. He has said previously that the IAEA believes Iraq intended to use the tubing for conventional rockets.

On Friday he said Iraq provided new documentation on the tubes, a reported attempt to import uranium, the procurement of magnets and magnet production capabilities and the use of the explosive HMX.

''The IAEA has verified that Iraq had indeed been manufacturing such rockets. However, we are still exploring whether the tubes were intended rather for the manufacture of centrifuges for uranium enrichment,'' he said.

The United States and Britain were waiting to hear from the inspectors before deciding when to present a draft resolution that would either authorize military action or find Iraq in ''material breach'' of its obligations - a term that Washington and London believe would be enough to justify an attack, according to diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity.

British diplomats had said a draft could be introduced as early as Saturday. Powell and British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw were scheduled to meet Friday afternoon with the three other veto-holding permanent council members - France, Russia and China - and then with the 10 elected members.

''There are a number of options,'' said Britain's U.N. Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock. ''I think there will be a last-minute decision.''

France could also decide to submit its proposal to triple the number of inspectors, diplomats said.

After the 1991 Gulf War, inspectors oversaw the destruction of the bulk of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons and dismantled the country's program to develop nuclear weapons.

[Seven of Nine]

Great

Looks like War

[chakotay1]

in my opinion we should wait to go to war with themuntil we have some support from other countries or else we will be *beep* up a creel without a paddle

[Theresa]

[chakotay1]

yes and those three are allies with iraq aren't they

[Theresa]