should worf and o'brien has joined DS

voyagerlr

what do you think?

Lindley · **Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:11 am**

Heck yeah. O'Brien was a big part of what made the show work. And while it had a good three seasons without Worf, his joining the cast was definately a change for the better.

voyagerlr · **Wed Jan 15, 2003 11:13 am**

i dopnt know maybe maybe not

thegame · **Wed Jan 15, 2003 12:24 pm**

I do know and both were excellent additions to the cast. O'Brian provided familiarity and stability to the cast during the first seasons where the audience was at times uncomfortable with some of the new characters from unfamiliar races like Odo, Quark, Garak, and Dax. Plus, O'Brian's character itself became extreamely deep and interesting. No longer was he the guy who transported you to the surface and hated Cardies on TNG, he had a family, commitment, honor, toughness, and a loveable ability to get along with the station that tormented him. His reletionship with Bashier became a key linchpin to the series in many episodes later on, especially when we saw less of the O'Brian family. Since Bashier's family was also never around, the two became each other's family. These are the kinds of character reletionships and developments that VGR and ENT have lacked.

Worf was another fine addition to the cast. He worked very well with Dax and Siskp, and also contributed to Odo's character, giving the Constable a equal in terms of his style and mood. Worf was a part of many moving plots and storylines, especially in those concerning Dax, both before and after Jadzeea's death. Both O'Brian and Worf were handled well by the production staff in my view. They did nothing but contribute positively to the show.

voyagerlr · **Wed Jan 15, 2003 12:39 pm**

i suppose so

Jeff Miller · **Thu Jan 16, 2003 4:12 am**

I think it was a good idea

voyagerlr · **Thu Jan 16, 2003 10:45 am**

okay the results are overhwelming

but i dont agree iwth them!

Pah-Wraith · **Thu Jan 16, 2003 11:18 am**

I definitely think Worf and O'Brien were good additions mainly for the same reasons as Lindley and thegame

whanomylee · Freshman Cadet Joined: 29 Dec 2002 Posts: 8 Location: PA

Of course! But since O'Brien was there from the beginning I can't say I would think of him as joining the cast the same way that Worf did. I think that Worf was the best thing that ever happened to DS9, although I liked all the other characters alot also, he just added the perfect touch.

Hydra · **Fri Jan 17, 2003 10:05 pm**

Worf was okay I guess, but I didn't think he was as good as the rest of the cast. I got sort of tired of him during the 7 seasons of TNG. O'Brien on the other hand was fantastic. O'Brien's actor is one of the most talented on DS9 IMHO.

Achilles · **Sun Jan 19, 2003 9:06 pm**

Worf was a very good addition to the cast. He always had good storylines during the series' he was there and his relationship with Jadzia was fascinating.

I wouldn't say O'Brien joined the cast though, he was there from day 1.

The game has already said the rest for me.

Captain Jayson Day · **Mon Jan 20, 2003 8:07 am**

i believe them being on ds9 made it fell more at home

voyagerlr · **Sat Feb 08, 2003 4:48 pm**

i concur ds9 lacked something until they joined!

Pah-Wraith · **Sat Feb 08, 2003 5:30 pm**

voyagerlr · **Sat Feb 08, 2003 5:35 pm**

worf brought the show together though peronallly i didnt like it until worf came!

Red Quacker · Captain Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 714

Worf was hardly in "Pale Moonlight", so I don't think he was that important to the show. Then again, O'Brien wasn't really in it either.

voyagerlr · **Sun Feb 09, 2003 9:11 am**

its a good job they had sisko and jax, worf and obrien there the best ds9 characters without the show would have been nothing!

Lindley · **Sun Feb 09, 2003 2:03 pm**

^Well, Kira contributed a fair bit as well. However, I'll agree that Sisko and Dax were keys to the show's success. Then again, all the characters were----unlike all the other Trek series, DS9 didn't really focus on just a few characters. They all had fairly equal roles.

Red Quacker · Captain Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 714

The trouble with Kira is that they tried to present her in the two-dimensional "angry Jewess with a grudge" role to make her seem tougher. Then, occasionally, they would go for long periods where Kira wasn't acting like Kira at all. They made her pregnant, etc. to show that she had a softer side. It didn't work though, because it was obvious what they were trying to do. Her romance with Odo didn't work, either.

thegame · **Mon Feb 10, 2003 6:34 pm**

Kira was a fascinating step forward for Trek in my view. Although tried on some levels with Tasha Yar for 20 eps or so in 1987, Trek women had always been quiet and "ladylike" to a certain extent. Kira was not only the most important woman rank wise on Trek at the time DS9 started, she was also the first tough woman who was both confident and sexy (season 4-7). Her backstory was a perfect fit for the show, it provided us with an inside look at Bajorans, more completely than the Ro Laren character from TNG gave us. Her reletionship with Odo made for great stories in season 3's "Heart of Stone" and season 4's "Crossfire". Season 5's "Children of Time" saw the feelings Odo had for Kira finally brought to the fore, and the reletionship became even more interesting during the season 6 arc of the Dominion occuying DS9. Later that season, "His Way" was the culmination of all of this, with Odo and Kira getting together. The pair did go a little "blah" after that until the final few eps where Kira and Odo served together in Damar's resistence. In these eps, where Odo was dying, the reletionship resurfaced as an important and powerful aspect of the show. The final scene on the Founder Homeworld with the two was also a touching moment.

Overall I loved Kira. She was a tough first officer, a true modern woman and served as the catalyst for the Voyager woman, all made in Kira's image, save for Kes.

Commander Magado · **Sat Aug 02, 2003 10:31 pm k**

sabertooth1217 · **Tue Aug 05, 2003 11:27 am**

yes i think that they should have joined ds9. there one of the best actors on the show that kept it going. i like worf the best and if he and obrians werent there ther ratings may have droped.

captain_muller0770 · **Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:48 pm**

I don't think they should have changed anything

Emergency Command Hologra · **Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:18 pm**

O'Brien was usually not a fascinating character on his own, but he could bring out interesting aspects of other characters. I always liked him anyway. Possibly someone else, maybe a Bajoran familiar with Cardassian technology, could have been interesting. (I always wondered why DS9 had so few Bajorans.)

I really wish, though, that they hadn't brought Worf on. DS9 already had a Klingon, Jadzia (supposed to be a Trill but written as a prettier Klingon) and didn't need another one to do endless Klingon Honor Crap episodes with. Besides, I absolutely hated the Worf/Dax 'romance.'

jbering69 · Lieutenant Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 137 Location: Canada

Power to O'Brian and Worf, I think they really helped round out the show.