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Do you think 9/11 was justified?
YES!! Die American *******
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Yeah, Sorta...
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Cant say
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No...
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NOOOOO!! Die OSAMA you *******
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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 11:18 am    

well i did change the topic, and i do justify his anger, and he chose this way to express it, thats his choice


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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 11:19 am    

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Well, I just cant explain his reasons to you, so we might as well forget it.

I wouldnt have started the discussion if i knew people were so obstinate to accept others opinions


I said I can understand the anger, not the actions. And as for not starting this topic, you really thought that others would roll over and take everything you said as gospel? Some of us do think for ourselves, you know.



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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 11:22 am    

Ah, yes i thought some people would be more understanding


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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 11:23 am    

Robin wrote:
Ah, yes i thought some people would be more understanding


Who did you want us to understand. You, or Osama asswipe? No one is challenging your right to beleive whatever you will. You are the one who tried to make a case for it, and that is what is being challenged.



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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 11:24 am    

well, i started this topic to see others views and not to explain others my own. So, I'll just wait and see the poll, and i do hope that the people who voted that the act was justified vote and give their views


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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 11:25 am    

Maquis74656 wrote:
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Ah, yes i thought some people would be more understanding


Who did you want us to understand. You, or Osama asswipe? No one is challenging your right to beleive whatever you will. You are the one who tried to make a case for it, and that is what is being challenged.


Fine, you have made your decision, and i mine. Lets see others views



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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 11:57 am    



Sorry, couldn't help myself. I'm better now.



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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 1:23 pm    



Let me know when you've convinced them it was justified, ok?



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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 1:24 pm    



Better yet, them.



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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 1:26 pm    



Oh, lets not forget this man. He looks like he should die because someone doesn't like his government, doesn't he?



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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 1:29 pm    



Look at white racist America, thinking we are better than everyone.

If you have an inferiority complex, deal with it. We aren't going to kiss everyone's asses so they can feel better about themselves.



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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 1:46 pm    




And here is someone who actually is in the Government. But, he'd only been in office 8 1/2 months, so he'd really had no time to offend anyone.
The Bush administration had hardly begun to work. So all of this talk about our goverment doing all of this stuff is bogus. Osama should have gone after Bush's predecessors, but he was too stupid. His mistake.



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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 2:20 pm    

pics one forgets to often................


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PostSat Nov 23, 2002 2:29 pm    

Robin wrote:
well i did change the topic, and i do justify his anger, and he chose this way to express it, thats his choice


I'm afraid you have just nullified any argument you could ever hope to make on this cause. Saying that it's Osama asswipes choice to kill Americans because he's angry, but that Americans are to be held accountable for every wrong thing they've ever done is total BS. That is such a double standard. You are talking out both sides of your mouth on that one. Either everyone is held to the same standard, or none at all. You can't have it both ways.



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PostSun Nov 24, 2002 9:34 am    

did someone just give up?


hmmmm...



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PostSun Nov 24, 2002 11:14 am    

Anti-crombie1 wrote:
did someone just give up?


hmmmm...


I sure did.
I now believe that i am incapable of convincing you'll anything.
I shoudnt have tried.

Well, as Morpheus says "Believe whatever you want to believe"



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PostSun Nov 24, 2002 11:40 am    

Aww that�s really sad Janewaykat I didn�t know you lost your parents on 9/11.

I�m not sure about this topic, The USA is one of the world�s power Countries , they are so strong and powerful because of there size, they can do what they like and no one can do anything about it. I don�t think they should go against the United Nations. America didn't deserve what the Taliban did to them, though I do think maybe Bush is taking it a little too far.

Blair and the UK government are supporting the USA and are planning on sending English troops out as well. (In fact I think they have all ready, but I could be wrong ).

Although the US killed a lot of innocent people, the US have got rid of the Taliban and have freed the citizens of Afghanistan. Those people who lived under the Taliban led a horrible life; girls cant to go to school, women have to cover their faces in fact women don�t get any rights at all. The people of Afghanistan didn�t even know why America was attacking them because they weren�t allowed to see the news! They didn�t even know that the Taliban attacked the US in the fist place. All they knew was that America was attacking them. Yeah Innocent people died in Afghanistan but innocent people lost their lives in the US. It�s a war and they are going to be casualties of war on both sides, its just sad that so many people have to die.

It�s sad man kind still have to use violence to resolve anything.



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PostSun Nov 24, 2002 2:39 pm    

thanks yeah they shoudl have found better ways to resovle things but i guess not


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PostSun Nov 24, 2002 4:50 pm    

Robin wrote:
Anti-crombie1 wrote:
did someone just give up?


hmmmm...


I sure did.
I now believe that i am incapable of convincing you'll anything.
I shoudnt have tried.

Well, as Morpheus says "Believe whatever you want to believe"



incapable is a good word, fits you well

is morpheus the guy from the matrix?

a movie that was made in the U.S.?



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PostSun Nov 24, 2002 4:55 pm    

Well, when you contradict yourself as often as you did............


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PostMon Nov 25, 2002 12:36 am    

Anti-crombie1 wrote:
is morpheus the guy from the matrix?

a movie that was made in the U.S.?


Yes, He is from the matrix, which was made in the US, so what?



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PostMon Nov 25, 2002 3:30 pm    

As the first anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington approaches, millions around the world will join the Americans in mourning the dead and condemning the attacks.

More than any other event since the Second World War, these multiple acts of violence have wrought seismic changes in western attitudes and policies. The basis of old alliances is being questioned and new ones forged. Unilateral action is replacing the principle of consensus enshrined in the UN Charter. And more and more threats and angry rhetoric are replacing reason and international law in communications between states.

Americans know how many lives were lost and how many billions worth of property destroyed by Al Qaeda last year. It is high time Muslims add up their losses and compute just how devastating the 9/11 attacks were to them directly and indirectly. This is specially important because those who carried out these attacks and those who backed them claim to have acted in the name of Islam.

But right from the beginning, the Muslim world has been in denial, simply repudiating Osama bin Laden and his activists without admitting that they are Muslims and their thinking has been shaped by the faith and culture in which they have been raised. To this day, there are many Muslims who are convinced that the attacks were carried out by the Israeli and American intelligence services.

Many westerners now feel that Islam is a religion that preaches and encourages violence, citing the many wars Muslims have been, or are, engaged in, mostly with each other. The willingness of young men and women to commit suicide while attacking their enemies is seen as a confirmation of the belief that, somehow, Muslims place a lower value on human life than the westerners do.

In many cases, 9/11 has simply allowed existing prejudices to surface and acquire legitimacy: where it was politically incorrect to give voice to anti-Islamic views, it is now commonplace to come across this hate-filled rhetoric in the media. So far has this agenda progressed that there is now talk in Washington of freezing Saudi assets and seizing their oilfields. Considering that for decades the kingdom has been America's closest ally and client in the region, this kind of hostility is unprecedented.But while states can shrug off this kind of venom, Muslim immigrants trying to make a new life in the West find it much harder to do so. For them, the events of 9/11 were an unqualified disaster. As it was, they had to contend with more than their share of prejudice; now, with feelings still running high and without any check on racist sentiments, Muslims are being targeted as never before. Ethnic profiling is now an accepted practice with the law enforcement agencies. Unemployment among Muslims in Europe, already higher than for other immigrant groups, has become a huge problem. A man with an untrimmed beard or a woman wearing hijab is unlikely to be asked for a job interview.

Unfortunately, over time, individual likes and dislikes are likely to be translated into state policy. Thus, the current antagonism towards Islam and Muslims in the West is already feeding the hostility being displayed by Washington towards a number of Muslim states. Iraq, of course, is the bete noir of the Bush administration, and the events of 9/11 have only given the hawks in the American government an excuse to raise the threat level against Saddam Hussein.

On a more philosophical level, Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda have managed to drag Huntington's 'Clash of Civilizations' out of the obscurity it deserved after making a splash when it first appeared a few years ago. The point the American political scientist made about Islam having 'bloody borders' seems vindicated, and his whole thesis about the underlying tension between the Hellenic-Christian West and Islam appears to have been finally proved after it had been thoroughly debunked by serious academics.

If unchallenged, this growing divide has certain very serious implications for the future. Whether we like it or not - and most Muslims don't - the West has a virtual monopoly on capital and technology. The Muslim world has failed to internalize science and reason, and has been paying a heavy price for its backwardness for centuries. This trend is unlikely to change in the near future, and the present dependence on the West is going to continue.

However, except for the oil-exporting nations, other Muslim countries will need either foreign aid or investments if they are to keep their heads above water. But in the current climate of hostility and distrust, it is doubtful if the old relationships will endure, particularly if religious fanatics continue to attack western interests. Already, investments in Pakistan have dropped to a trickle because of the terrorist strikes against Americans, Europeans and local Christians.

Students from Muslim countries wishing to study in America are another group to suffer the backlash of 9/11. Understandably, Americans are now very cautious about who they allow to enter their country for higher studies, given that many of those involved in the attacks in New York and Washington had come on student visas. Hundreds of Saudi students have returned to their country as they could not cope with the antagonism they encountered. Ordinary businessmen and tourists from the Muslim world have recounted horror stories about harassment by the FBI and the Immigration Service. But given that President Bush has declared war on terrorism, these precautions and attitudes are to be expected.

Despite all these problems and setbacks, there are many in the Muslim world who secretly feel that the 9/11 attacks were justified, and that Osama bin Laden is a hero. For them, the West is the villain and any means to oppose it are justified. Ironically, these same people want their children to study in America. There are well-known Pakistani leaders of religious parties whose kids have settled in the States. Clearly there is a contradiction here, but it is one that we Muslims are all too keen to sweep under the carpet.

The bottom line is that we cannot simultaneously wage war against the West and expect its assistance

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PostMon May 31, 2004 10:00 pm    

No, of course I don't think 9/11 was justified in any way, shape or form. In fact, I find it disgusting that anybody would be able to.


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PostMon May 31, 2004 11:00 pm    

Anyone who beleives that killing over 2000 civilians in a suprise attack is a moron, and if they call themselves American, they are a hipocrit. And don't tell me that I "don't even know you." If that is what you beleive, I do not need to know you, nor do I want to. I can say, for sure, that if this is what you beleive, you are, without a doubt, wrong.

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PostTue Jun 01, 2004 12:37 am    

I was sitting at home and I had a feeling to turn on the tv that day of 9/11 and I saw something very disturbing and I was angry cause innocent people was killed. I was so crying and upset, I called my husband at work, and he said I know. When he came, he held me. Guess I am to caring but it was sad and I felt for the ones that lost their loved ones. And for the children that lost their parents.


THey got Saddam now they need to get Bin Ladden and they don't need to stop til they get him.


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