When was section 31 started?

KingMiggs · Ensign Joined: 04 May 2002 Posts: 63

WHen was Section 31 started? Was it started as a division of StarFleet Intelligence, sorta like the Obsidian Order and Tal Shear?

Lindley · **Tue May 07, 2002 9:12 am**

That is unclear. Apparently it was written into the original Federation Charter. However, it is not known whether it existed before that.

Commander Ranahan · Doctor Joined: 11 Oct 2001 Posts: 9519 Location: Guam

it has exiseted to protect Star Fleets OWN Intresed

Captain Jayson Day · **Sat May 25, 2002 7:27 pm**

have you seen swordfish, its like that, oh i did some researhs and the so called section 13 was made in the days on picard , to protect the fedration for interest and from itself

Pah-Wraith · **Sun May 26, 2002 12:03 pm**

Are section 31 superior to ranks such as Admiral or Captain

Lindley · **Sun May 26, 2002 1:46 pm**

^I don't think Section 31 is part of the military structure. Kind of like CIA isn't in the military.

Commander Ranahan · Doctor Joined: 11 Oct 2001 Posts: 9519 Location: Guam

its a secerate covert op that hassnt been givvien orders since the old days

thegame · **Wed Sep 25, 2002 10:02 am**

The origon is ambiguously explained in the Section 31 book, "Cloak" set during Kirk's time, but it was part of the Federation Charter made in the 2160's.

dickiedyce · Freshman Cadet Joined: 27 Sep 2002 Posts: 5

I wonder if we'll get a 'precursor' epsiode in Enterprise then?

Zefram Cochrane · **Fri Sep 27, 2002 5:02 pm**

I thought it was a rouge covert ops division!?!

Pah-Wraith · **Sat Sep 28, 2002 2:18 am**

^
Yeah well obviously thought wrong

i think a Mini-Tv series about section 31 would be good showing you their corrupt ways of dealing with problems I don't know why but i always associated temporal investigations with section 31

thegame · **Mon Sep 30, 2002 9:17 am**

Section 31 is another reason why DS9 is such a spectacular show, even compared to it's other Trek counterparts. The very notion of a autonomous, lawless organization thats been assasinating, lying, corrupting and infiltrating for the Federation throughout it's history turns the Trek world on it's head. On the other series, a certain status quo was maintained about the integrity of the Federation and humans. On DS9, those accepted generalizations were attacked and called into question by the actions of not only Section 31, but also by Captain Sisko, who orchestrated the Romulan alliance around a lie. These plot twists and character portrayals gave DS9 the most original approach that Star Trek has seen since the days of Captain Kirk.

Lindley · **Mon Sep 30, 2002 9:52 am**

I don't mean to imply anything, but several years (in real time) before DS9 introduced S31, there was a mention of a secret organization on Babylon 5 which was much the same thing; it was called Bureau 13. The name was later dropped for legal reasons, but when DS9 came up with Section 31, my reaction was "Hey....this seems familiar...."

thegame · **Mon Sep 30, 2002 7:38 pm**

I never knew about that. Were the two organizations similar?

Lindley · **Mon Sep 30, 2002 8:17 pm**

Pah-Wraith · **Sat Oct 26, 2002 5:39 pm**

^
Was Admiral Ross actually a part of it or was he only working with sloan?

Oompsty · Vice Admiral Joined: 13 Oct 2002 Posts: 6613 Location: LA

Didn't Basheer determine that section 31 wasn't even part of the federation nor was working for the federations interests?

Lindley · **Sat Oct 26, 2002 11:28 pm**

^They're working for Federation interests, just not by Federation principals.

Oompsty · Vice Admiral Joined: 13 Oct 2002 Posts: 6613 Location: LA

Heh, i see, but they way they do things doesn't seem very Federation at all. Actually it kind of reminds me of Romulan tactics

Pah-Wraith · **Sun Oct 27, 2002 3:15 am**

yeah it's like the cardassian equivilent of the obsidian order and the romulan tal shiar in my opinion

thegame · **Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:54 pm**

^Far less organized, pah-wraith. One must understand that 31 is established in the Federation charter, and is autonomous in their operation. They have no inferstructure or base of operations, only the singular idea of protecting the Federation at any cost and by any means necessary. As Sloan said: "The Federation needs people like you, Doctor.... They also need people like me, to make sure that we can have people like you." 31 is the very essence of the show that introduced it. It is a new and bold take on the Federation and Trek itself.

Bugger Boy · **Sun Nov 03, 2002 4:41 pm**

^Sort of like the US government if I'm not mistaken!

Pah-Wraith · **Mon Nov 04, 2002 7:55 am**

True

Bajoran Prophet · Captain Joined: 10 Oct 2002 Posts: 533 Location: Bajor

slone = bush ??????????????????????????

Pah-Wraith · **Thu Nov 07, 2002 4:51 pm**

I want to see a black member of section 31