| Could a Deathstar be constructed with Star trek Technology |
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Voy_Girl
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| Computer wrote: | | MT39503 wrote: | | Voy_Girl wrote: | | Trokor wrote: | I still believe, that one the tech to build a Death Star is viable in the Star Trek universe.
Two: Why would using a modified bet'leh, really change the Klingon way. It would be more lethal, you could use it to taunt your opponents with, plus it is a valuable in the field device.  |
If they managed to build a light sabel, why would it have to be a modified bat'leth?
isn't an ordinary sword or something just as good if you want to test the technology?
And - I still don't believe Klingons would change that easy, just because someone introduces something new?
Since the original bet'leth constructuion comes from Kehless' time, I think they would find it bad to change what's been working perfectly for such a long time.
Plus.. Death comes more slowly if you want to torture somebody with it... with a modifed one the opponent would be slized up in like three seconds. |
You got a point! Why die quickley and not suffer? lol  |
although a light sabver would be better if you were the one being hacked to bits |
yes.. that's true..But what would amake you stay long enough to be attacked? Unless you're tied up against a tree or something..
The Klingosn maybe chops wood and kills at the same time? Then the light thing would be better from the eyes of the victim..
Though not from th Klingons pov.
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Commander Ranahan
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| Sat Jun 22, 2002 11:30 pm |
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the greats mistake........Dont bring A Light Sabar To a Quantum Torpedo Fight
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MT39503
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| Sun Jun 23, 2002 12:12 am |
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Or even a phaser match!
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Commander Ranahan
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| Sun Jun 23, 2002 12:16 am |
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LOL.......that to
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IntrepedII
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| Sun Jun 23, 2002 5:51 am |
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that would be the same when they brought a bath'leth 
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Computer
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| Sun Jun 23, 2002 12:37 pm |
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| IntrepedII wrote: | | could borg adapt to a lightsaber? |
most probably!!
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MT39503
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| Sun Jun 23, 2002 12:48 pm |
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Lightsabers don't even conenside with ST physics so it is hard to say but I must agree that They most prabaly could!
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IntrepedII
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| Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:40 pm |
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still a lightsaber is pure energy, and the borg cant adapt to fysical blows can they?
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Computer
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| Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:43 pm |
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| IntrepedII wrote: | | still a lightsaber is pure energy, and the borg cant adapt to fysical blows can they? |
they probably can but if they haven't come across it before then something different may occur
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MT39503
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| Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:37 pm |
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| IntrepedII wrote: | | still a lightsaber is pure energy, and the borg cant adapt to fysical blows can they? |
A phaser discharge is pure energy. And a Lighsaber blow is not a physical blow.
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Dax Orien
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| Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:09 pm |
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It is very easy for everyone to say Star Trek is better, on a Star Trek site. In fact though, Star Trek ships are to fragile to face even a Victory Class Star Destroyer. The warp nacels on a Federation ship are such an easy target. And concusion missles are designed to explode in a wide spread meaning that even if the shield stopped the missle, it would still get hit with the frags. Think about the differences. Plus most Star Wars ships have many more weapons than even the most heavily armed Federation ship. Think about it a second. Plus Sabers are designed to block energy. It's natural to say "don't bring a saber to a phaser fight" but that's a load of crap. Phasers have ammo too. Plus you have to be skilled to use saber. I think that if you get a betazed with a saber, you have a problem when you run out of ammo. Plus Sabers cut through metal so Klingons would have problems too.
And Link, sorry for not responding earlier. Just wanted a few more
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MT39503
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| Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:17 pm |
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| Dax Orien wrote: | It is very easy for everyone to say Star Trek is better, on a Star Trek site. In fact though, Star Trek ships are to fragile to face even a Victory Class Star Destroyer. The warp nacels on a Federation ship are such an easy target. And concusion missles are designed to explode in a wide spread meaning that even if the shield stopped the missle, it would still get hit with the frags. Think about the differences. Plus most Star Wars ships have many more weapons than even the most heavily armed Federation ship. Think about it a second. Plus Sabers are designed to block energy. It's natural to say "don't bring a saber to a phaser fight" but that's a load of crap. Phasers have ammo too. Plus you have to be skilled to use saber. I think that if you get a betazed with a saber, you have a problem when you run out of ammo. Plus Sabers cut through metal so Klingons would have problems too.
And Link, sorry for not responding earlier. Just wanted a few more |
A phaser is a nadion dis charge and cannot be reflected. Also SW tech is much farthe away from the ruth than ST. And besides can SW create a weapon strong enough to dessimate galaxies without volating any laws of physics?
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BrentDax
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| Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:56 pm |
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| Dax Orien wrote: | | It is very easy for everyone to say Star Trek is better, on a Star Trek site. In fact though, Star Trek ships are to fragile to face even a Victory Class Star Destroyer. |
IIRC, the second Death Star blew up a SSD with one shot. Defiant's pulse phasers at full power are comparable to the Death Star's primary weapon. (Not equal, but comparable--perhaps an order of magnitude less powerful. They've been described as being able to punch completely through an unshielded planet in one shot.)
| Quote: | | The warp nacels on a Federation ship are such an easy target. And concusion missles are designed to explode in a wide spread meaning that even if the shield stopped the missle, it would still get hit with the frags. |
That's great, except that the fragments would never get past Federation shields in the first place. You'd have to assume that the concussion missile breached the shields in its explosion, which I don't think would happen.
| Quote: | | Think about the differences. Plus most Star Wars ships have many more weapons than even the most heavily armed Federation ship. Think about it a second. |
My guess is that a Defiant-class is more armed for its size than Imperial ships.
| Quote: | | Plus Sabers are designed to block energy. It's natural to say "don't bring a saber to a phaser fight" but that's a load of crap. Phasers have ammo too. Plus you have to be skilled to use saber. I think that if you get a betazed with a saber, you have a problem when you run out of ammo. Plus Sabers cut through metal so Klingons would have problems too. |
I believe that phasers have both a particle and an energy component, so I'm not sure that a lightsaber could block all of the beam.
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parkan
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What exactly do you mean by "both a particle and an energy component"? That's a redundancy since energy can be carried in and only in form of particles/waves. Also, lightsabers are primarily designed to reflect phased light (which is absurd by the way) like that of a laser, i.e. photons. Nadions are capable of carrying several orders of magnitude more energy than photons and will most likely overload the saber.
On a side note, SW weapons rely on raw power (like Klingon disruptors) - turbolasers, superlasers, etc. ST weapons actually rely on physical phenomena and can be far more devastating (think genesis device). And don't forget the borg (something tells me they can adapt to lasers).
Please note that I am NOT bashing SW/SW tech, I am merely pointing out some details.
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Commander Ranahan
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| Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:47 pm |
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Mixing these two will kus creat utter mayham
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BrentDax
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| Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:58 pm |
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| parkan wrote: | | What exactly do you mean by "both a particle and an energy component"? That's a redundancy since energy can be carried in and only in form of particles/waves. |
You're thinking way too quantum mechanically. :^) What I meant was that the beam has both a particle component and a wave component, using the classical mechanics definitions of particles and waves (where the two are mutually exclusive).
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MT39503
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| Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:40 pm |
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| parkan wrote: | What exactly do you mean by "both a particle and an energy component"? That's a redundancy since energy can be carried in and only in form of particles/waves. Also, lightsabers are primarily designed to reflect phased light (which is absurd by the way) like that of a laser, i.e. photons. Nadions are capable of carrying several orders of magnitude more energy than photons and will most likely overload the saber.
On a side note, SW weapons rely on raw power (like Klingon disruptors) - turbolasers, superlasers, etc. ST weapons actually rely on physical phenomena and can be far more devastating (think genesis device). And don't forget the borg (something tells me they can adapt to lasers).
Please note that I am NOT bashing SW/SW tech, I am merely pointing out some details. |
Yes! A Saber may be able to absorb the nadions but defiently not reflect them.
Blasters are not lasers, but a blast of raw energy.
I too, have noticed that SW weapons are shear power and not ignuity. The Borg do the same thing! 
Also, I have no intet on bashing SW. Just stating facts!
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Voy_Girl
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| Sun Jul 28, 2002 2:25 pm |
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| IntrepedII wrote: | | that would be the same when they brought a bath'leth |
the regular one or the possible light bat'leth?
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Borg771
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| Mon Aug 12, 2002 10:43 am |
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yeah... Klingons are obsessed with tradition and honor. I dont think they would change it.
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Bugger Boy
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| Link, the Hero of Time wrote: | | MT39503 wrote: | | Yeah it can...Thar laser is jus ta plain old laser jus t abunch of them. Besides ST is way more advanced than SW. |
Actully No it's not. The Super laser must come from a power source Bigger and Stonger then a Warp Core.
I doubt even the Strongest Of ST ships could generate that much power.
And the SW Universe may only have Ion Cannons But the ships are more menuverable then a bulky starship and Even 3 TIE's (Who have no shileds) could most likely destory a starship. |
Excuse me, TIES have lasers and no shields. In an early TNG episode someone threatens the Eterprise with lasers and Picard comments that they couldn't even penetrate their navigational sheilds.
Also, if the TIES have no shield how on Earth are they going to withstand the force of a phaser? They do enough damage on a starships hull let alone a little tin can TIE fighter!
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Borg771
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| Tue Sep 10, 2002 7:52 pm |
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I think so.. It would be like a sphere. (a borg sphere)
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The Hunter
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| Tue Sep 17, 2002 8:20 pm |
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i think that theycould MAYBE build the death star in the star trek universe
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| Wed Sep 18, 2002 12:26 am |
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They already have weapons of mas destruction, I don't think they would need a deathstar, but they could build one.
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