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Dax Orien
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Maybe you guys didn't understand me right. I didn't mean to recreate what happened to them in the first place, I meant to turn the ship totally reverse and point it the way they came from and then fly back.
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TaZeR
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Location: U.S.S. Voyager
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| Sat Apr 20, 2002 9:20 pm |
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Some answers:
Tom went through the whole evolution thing because he simply tried to push the warp engines beyond there capactiy and break the warp 10 barrior into transwarp, he did that but it had bad effects. Why they could through transwarp later on? Becuase it was different technology what they needed was to travel through a transwarp conduit instead of doing it in normal space.
Now why couldnt Voyager go into slipstream jump out and back in and out again to get home? Becuase they were alredy lucky that the phase varience that destablized their slipstream kicked in so late, if they came out of slipstream then back in they might not be so lucky to have time and disengage their slipstream drive before there thrown out destroyed or badly damaged.
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MT39503
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| Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:09 pm |
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Slipstream can be very dangerous if it is not used properly. Voyager didn't know hoe to control it. Personally, however, I perfer Transwarp. It is WAY faster. EX. In Equonix (VOY) Voyager has a chance to use slipstram to get home. It was to take 3 Months. With Transwarp Voyager could have been in any place in the universe in any instant.
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parkan
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| Thu May 09, 2002 5:10 pm |
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slipstream would require a "passing point" much larger than what is theoretically possible right now (i.e. a tiny point)[/img]
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MT39503
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| Wed May 15, 2002 11:36 pm |
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| parkan wrote: | | slipstream would require a "passing point" much larger than what is theoretically possible right now (i.e. a tiny point)[/img] |
Explain...therotically possible now. I have not heard of this. Could you clearify? I appreciate any help you can offer.
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Vulcanmanmike
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| Thu May 16, 2002 5:51 am |
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I think that what he is trying to get at is that when you come out of Slipstream it's theoreticaly impossible to lock onto exact cordinates.
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parkan
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| Thu May 16, 2002 1:37 pm |
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| MT39503 wrote: | | parkan wrote: | | slipstream would require a "passing point" much larger than what is theoretically possible right now (i.e. a tiny point)[/img] |
Explain...therotically possible now. I have not heard of this. Could you clearify? I appreciate any help you can offer. |
Currently, only somethign as massive as a black hole can create a wormhole. ANything that massive will collapse into itself.
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MT39503
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| Thu May 16, 2002 5:57 pm |
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| Vulcanmanmike wrote: | | I think that what he is trying to get at is that when you come out of Slipstream it's theoreticaly impossible to lock onto exact cordinates. |
The Brog did it...can't we? 
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parkan
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| Thu May 16, 2002 8:00 pm |
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| MT39503 wrote: | | Vulcanmanmike wrote: | | I think that what he is trying to get at is that when you come out of Slipstream it's theoreticaly impossible to lock onto exact cordinates. |
The Brog did it...can't we? |
THe borg had a complex structure that supported the integrity of the channels. Chances are, without the hub the cubes would just be squashed randomly or spit out in random parts of the universe.
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Vulcanmanmike
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| Fri May 17, 2002 8:17 pm |
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As stated in a Voyager Episode 7 of 9 stated that a Borg Cube sends out a Distortion channel that lets them slip through with not trouble at all.
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MT39503
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| Wed May 22, 2002 10:18 pm |
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However, according to 7 without the transwarp hub Borg ships would go nop where. In Threshold (VOY) the shuttle Chrochane achives Warp 10 (Transwarp.) However, when they shut down the engines the shuttle returned to the orignal point of the breaking of the "Threshold." The hup must be a seris of force feilds or something similar that force the ship on a path out to the desired location of exit.
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BrentDax
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| Sun Jun 23, 2002 1:55 pm |
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I really wish slipstream was explained in more detail in the show--it would really help with designing ships that use it. :^)
r.e. the "the crew would be ripped apart" comments: As it is, going to full impulse would turn the crew into chunky salsa on the bulkheads. The ships have inertial dampers to counter that. Perhaps they could be enhanced to protect from slipstream forces.
r.e. the "transwarp works because of the hub" comment: Simply untrue. The current best theory is that a transwarp coil creates a conduit, and that conduit lingers for a few weeks or months. Because it's creating the conduit, it goes relatively slowly. During the time the conduit lingers, anybody who knows how to reopen the conduit can use it, even if they don't have a coil. Anyone who travels through with a coil "refreshes" the conduit. Using an already created conduit is very fast, but as the conduit ages, it gets slower. Transwarp hubs automagically refresh their conduits constantly, thus making them superfast.
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"Nonsense. All you have to do is say, 'Engage.'"
--Patrick Stewart, responding to an explanation of how warp drive works
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IntrepedII
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MT39503
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| Sun Jun 23, 2002 9:40 pm |
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| BrentDax wrote: | I really wish slipstream was explained in more detail in the show--it would really help with designing ships that use it. :^)
r.e. the "the crew would be ripped apart" comments: As it is, going to full impulse would turn the crew into chunky salsa on the bulkheads. The ships have inertial dampers to counter that. Perhaps they could be enhanced to protect from slipstream forces.
r.e. the "transwarp works because of the hub" comment: Simply untrue. The current best theory is that a transwarp coil creates a conduit, and that conduit lingers for a few weeks or months. Because it's creating the conduit, it goes relatively slowly. During the time the conduit lingers, anybody who knows how to reopen the conduit can use it, even if they don't have a coil. Anyone who travels through with a coil "refreshes" the conduit. Using an already created conduit is very fast, but as the conduit ages, it gets slower. Transwarp hubs automagically refresh their conduits constantly, thus making them superfast. |
So transwarp isn't posasible without these conduits? Or does the coil produce a seris of felids to direct the objec to the desired point of exit? And further in Endgame The Sphere and Voy fought for some time...if they were in transwarp ythey wouldn't have had any time to becauseTranswarp has inifinate velocity
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parkan
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| Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:09 pm |
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| BrentDax wrote: | I really wish slipstream was explained in more detail in the show--it would really help with designing ships that use it. :^)
r.e. the "the crew would be ripped apart" comments: As it is, going to full impulse would turn the crew into chunky salsa on the bulkheads. The ships have inertial dampers to counter that. Perhaps they could be enhanced to protect from slipstream forces.
r.e. the "transwarp works because of the hub" comment: Simply untrue. The current best theory is that a transwarp coil creates a conduit, and that conduit lingers for a few weeks or months. Because it's creating the conduit, it goes relatively slowly. During the time the conduit lingers, anybody who knows how to reopen the conduit can use it, even if they don't have a coil. Anyone who travels through with a coil "refreshes" the conduit. Using an already created conduit is very fast, but as the conduit ages, it gets slower. Transwarp hubs automagically refresh their conduits constantly, thus making them superfast. |
We had a bit of confusion here. The borg DO NOT use slipstream (which I was talking about and then got confused by the "Borg did it.. can't we?" comment). You are absolutely correct about transwarp, and one can actually enter a conduit (maintained by a hub or otherwise) if one knows the specific "key" for that conduit.
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MT39503
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| Thu Jul 11, 2002 5:46 pm |
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Well then, if the Borg use Transwarp how come it took so long for Voyager to exit the Transwarp Net? If it was true transwarp, it wouldn't have taken any time at all.
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BrentDax
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| Fri Jul 12, 2002 12:46 am |
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| MT39503 wrote: | | Well then, if the Borg use Transwarp how come it took so long for Voyager to exit the Transwarp Net? If it was true transwarp, it wouldn't have taken any time at all. |
Transwarp seems to be a generic name for any engine that goes faster than traditional warp engines can. One such engine is the Warp 10 engine in Tom's shuttle; another is the Borg engines.
Of course, that doesn't explain slipstream. My guess is that slipstream is a technique for making space easier to travel through, rather than an actual propulsion system--similar to making an object more aerodynamic in an atmosphere.
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Brent Dax
"Nonsense. All you have to do is say, 'Engage.'"
--Patrick Stewart, responding to an explanation of how warp drive works
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MT39503
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| Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:00 pm |
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Transwarp is one speed, infinate. One can go no faster.
I agree with you that slipstream isn't reqally perpulsion but a way to make space travel easier. As that the power from the Quantum SlipStream drive is channled into the main deflector, our theory seems supported. 
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