Defiant vs. Voyager.. which would win

Cange · Lieutenant Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 148

no wonder the Jem Hadar consider you as a god Founder lol you realy have good argument

milan · **Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:58 am**

milan · **Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:09 am**

Cange · Lieutenant Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 148

well your sayin no ship can do what voyager did i think you are very wrong,many ship travelled trought time including enterprise,yet none of they used it to they'r advantage exept Janeway on Voyager,now you bringing fact to make Voyager stronger then the defiant but these fact are not good in this contexte since all ship had the chance to travel trought time and yet only Janeway did the mystake of altering the timeline.

so in the end the Defiante is supperior to Voyager

milan · **Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:43 pm**

No, it wasn't a mistake, it was a deliberate purpose.
And that Voyager travelled time and this mistake you talk about and that all ships travelled time results that the Defiant is superior... ok, I get it, my mistake...

Zimmerman's Hollogram · **Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:26 pm**

C'mon, really? Voyager would win of course! Janeway would laugh and have Tuvok tractor beam that little S.O.B. into the nearest star.... And if there were any doubts among the crew, I'm sure Seven would do it for them.

milan · **Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:44 am**

Yes, I think so too. All Star Trek is good, but I just liked the Voyager cast and missions best by far. It's a personal opinion, of course, every show has its hardcore fans. And that's the beauty of it.

Zimmerman's Hollogram · **Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:14 am**

milan · **Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:10 pm**

I dunno, I like DS9 too. The characters are good there too. Of course I like the Voyager crew best, but DS9 was good too. It was a very good move to put Chief O'BRien in, I've always liked him in TNG and said "Man, they should make this guy a permanent member instead of a guest star". Then there's of course Quark, oh, and Jadzia, both of them I think act very well. Kira is a bit lost on me, but Sisko is great with his deep voice and calm manner. It's true the stories are a bit more dull. As a space station they don't get into new space every day so storylines like Nog's exam and flying to Cardassia in a "sailboat" appear, which are nice but they don't put you on the edge of the seat. But the interaction of the characters makes up for it. In this show Garak is the O'Brien from TNG, a brilliant character who gets too little time on the show. I would have liked to see him more often, him and Dukat, they are both played brilliantly and are kickass characters.

IntrepidIsMe · **Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:14 am**

Alrighty, let's stay on topic please.

TrystanClarke91191 · Senior Cadet Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Posts: 20

voyager would win because of all its futuristic armer

Cange · Lieutenant Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 148

Voyager is commanded by a Women so there is no way it can win againts the defiante,they couldnt even do a simple thing as capturing a few Maquis without getting in trouble.

no seriously you can compare Voyager to the defiant,the Defiant was the flagship of the front line in the dominion war cmon voyager probably wouldnt even have survived the dominion war if it didnt get lost

screw this armor thing. you cant count that since every ship have the possibility to go in the futur and get technology from there its just stupid,its like Picard would go back into time with the Enterprise E to destroy the Enterprise A

as for the crew of Voyager most of them are bad the only ppl i liked was Tuvok,Paris,the doctor and that sexy drone called seven

victorspencer5 · Freshman Cadet Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 5

Voyager after it has the future Technology

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milan · **Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:58 pm**

What's wrong with episodic? If I wanted one long spaghetti, I would watch soap operas. As to the spiritual and metaphysical, I always pull my hair when they start with the prophets... It's just a personal opinion, but I don't think THAT is what makes Star Trek great. What really made DS9 good were Sisko, Quark, Jadzia, Bashir... you name them.

Cange · Lieutenant Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 148

well victor you are completly right and from what i see we share the same pation and i completly agree that DS9 is way beyond other series like i always said its probably the main reason why i like star trek however maybey you should put these comment in the DS9 topic :-p

alpinedigital · **Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:49 am**

Voyager took down species 8472.
Nuff said.

Defiant don't want none of that, specially if you put Admiral Janeway's upgrades on. Then its really no contest but Janeway had tricobalt devices for the Caretaker's array. They also have wicked Maquis tactics, plus Seven's tactical knowledge...

...and seven has plans for the multi-kinetic neutronic mine... 5 million isoton yield. Blow up the Defiant, DS9, all the ships in the vicinity, render Bajour uninhabitable, and destabilize the wormhole. lol

Oh yeah, crew vs crew, ships wouldn't even matter then. Kes mental abilities probably just fling the defiant into a star or hell, just destabilize their warp core so they have to eject it... lol ha ha meet ya back at Starfleet headquarters.

roflv2 · **Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:09 pm**

If both ships are fighting each other one ship must have good guys and the other baddies. Lets say voyager has its normal crew and the defiant is taken over by romulans then voyager WILL win. after all it wont be destroyed as it has main characters aboard! This one ship took out the borg and species 4872!

Also Voyager is a much more resilient ship, just look at 'year of hell'. The defiant is destroyed almost immediately after its shields fail.

CaptJD · Disyple Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 2699 Location: Canada!

This basically comes down to logic, lets say the crews are tied for skill (Taking the crews out of the equation). Canonically the Defiant was classed as an escort it was also called "overpowered and over gunned for its size". The Intrepid(Voyager) is classed as an explorer, nothing was ever said about it being a warship or a gunboat.

According to this site (http://www.st-wiki.com/wiki/Intrepid_Class, http://www.st-wiki.com/wiki/Defiant_Class) the Intrepid was given a med threat rating and the Defiant was given a high threat rating. The Defiant also canonically was equipped with quantum torpedoes, photon torpedoes, pulse cannons, and type X Phasers. Voyager was equipped with type X phasers, photon torpedoes, and tricobalt torpedoes. So as far as weapons goes the Defiant outgunned Voyager I assume Janeway would not use tricobalt torpedoes due to the low probability of scoring a hit on a ship the size of the defiant with the amount of maneuverability the defiant had, especially since the detonation of tricobalt torpedoes as proven to cause subspace tears.

Moving on to defensive capability the Defiant was manufactured with regenerative shielding, ablative hull Armour, and a cloaking device. Voyager had standard shields, and that's it. Another factor that falls under defense is maneuverability which the defiant has at impulse speeds. Sure if voyager fled at warp she would escape but that does not count as "Winning".

Also if you choose to argue the fact that Voyager had advanced weapons then you clearly would like to follow star trek episode facts to the letter. So consider this, there is ship know as the USS Relativity whose mission is to repair temporal disturbances. So technically Captain Ducane and the crew of the Relativity should have showed up right before Janeway traveled back in time and arrested her before she could go back in time and risk advanced technology falling into the hands of the Borg (I.E. Old Janeway giving herself up to the borg in an Advanced shuttle craft from the future.). So if you want to look at it from a trek canon point of view Endgame was a very contradictory and lame episode.

So in conclusion the Defiant has a clear technical advantage over Voyager. Meaning, probability states the Defiant is more likely to win in a fight between it and Voyager. Obviously there is always a chance Voyager could win although that is very unlikely.

milan · **Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:05 pm**

1. The military status of the ship has been overdiscussed, plus it has nothing to do with this topic. A supertanker for example can run over a coast guard boat, though the former is not a military ship and the latter is. Plus Voyager IS a military ship. But this is beside the point.
2. The time police thing is an interesting argument, and in the view of this Endgame IS a contradictory episode. But while "contradictory" is a neutral term based on analysis, "lame" has nothing to do with this line of thought, it is an adjective used to describe personal opinions. We get it, you didn't like Endgame, but stop trying to make it sound like you reached this conclusion with logical deductions. Funny you don't go complaining about all the other time travel episodes throughout the Star Trek universe. Of course not, because they are interesting. What really would qualify as "lame" is the time police coming and stopping every such adventure in the first five minutes, now don't tell me that would be "cool".
3. The conclusion that the Defiant outguns Voyager has been reached some time ago on this thread, as well as the fact that with all the Endgame upgrades the Defiant wouldn't last 5 seconds against Voyager.

Cange · Lieutenant Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 148

you have pretty good argument here CaptJD but sadly its hoppeless to bother bringing fact here lol,they voyager fan lol,its obvious the defiant is way more powerfull then voyager.

milan · **Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:06 am**

Once again he just has to make a fool of himself, even when it's not his debate. R u listening to yourself man? You bring in terrorists and I dunno what else, and really try to act out the scenario between a supertanker and a coast guard boat??

Ok, let me put it as monosyllabic as possible: I gave the supertanker example to illustrate the fact that purpose and strength cannot be put in one category: that means even though the coast guard ship has been built with military purpose, that doesn't mean it can do much against a supertanker, which of course has nothing to do with the military. But it's useless, even if I am to give the example of a foot soldier against a concrete wall, you will say well if the foot soldier is a terrorist it can suicide-bomb the concrete wall to pieces.

Try to see beyond what is said, to the purpose of what is said. Maybe it would help you understand more of Star Trek than DS9's 1000 ships against 1000 ships.
As for not changing timeline, because that is lame, for example the 'Back to the Future' movies were all about changing timelines and destinies, and nobody ever said "man, those movies were lame, they changed the future..."
As for your nigh unintelligible third paragraph about the danube class ship with 25th century technology, thank you for giving another example to prove my point: yes, even a danube class ship could destroy a galaxy class ship with 25th century upgrades, let alone Voyager the Defiant. Yes, that's exactly what I was saying.

Cange · Lieutenant Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 148

yeah well im not sure what coast guard boat are armed with actualy so i cant realy prove it even there there is no way in hell a supertanker can even arm a coast guard boat.however the thing i said is that the defiant is way stronger then voyager.

as for the back to the futur it has nothing to do with star trek....

milan · **Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:29 am**

...and I rest my case.

CaptJD · Disyple Joined: 16 Sep 2003 Posts: 2699 Location: Canada!

As for your comment about the terrorist and the brick wall I guess the brick wall is the Defiant and the terrorist is Voyager and then the terrorist with the suicide bomb is 24th century Voyager?

I guess it can be summed up this way Defiant vs Voyager, Defiant Wins. 25th Century Voyager vs Defiant, Voyager wins. 25th Century Defiant vs 25th century Voyager, Defiant wins. I guess you can say if you keep the time line fair and in perspective then Defiant will always come out on top.

and as Cange said I think the class of the ship has everything to do with its fighting ability. I also agree that there is no arguing with a Voyager fanatic.

milan · **Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:12 pm**

No. As I told you, I like both Voyager and DS9. But we are talking about facts here, from the show. And the facts are: Voyager did get future upgrades, Defiant didn't. I don't know what is so hard in admitting this stalemate: Defiant wins against regular Voyager, upgraded Voyager wins against Defiant. These are the versions that are actually in the shows. Period. In one case one ship wins, in the other case the other. Everything else is just wishful thinking. I am not the one pressing for "Voyager always wins, kiss-kiss, eternal love!" It's you, with the Defiant. And it's useless to try to make me a Voyager-fanatic who there's no arguing with. All these points show that it's the exact opposite: "Defiant will always come out on top". And you're saying I'm the fanatic...