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PhoenixIreland
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 Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:36 pm Star Trek Generations (observations and a question) |
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Observations;
1. I'm sure I'm not the first to note this but....did Picard just bury Kirk under rocks and not tell anyone??? I always thought they should have included like a funeral scene back on earth for the biggest legend in the entire franchise??? maybe with the original cast, TNG cast and Sisko attending
2. I always thought it would have been good to see a scene like the on at the end of ST IV where they were introduced to the E (renamed from some other new ship that was going to be launched), maybe where they fly up to another Galaxy class ship then pass it and out pops the sovereign class E, in Earth Spacedock
always loved that station...
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/9/9f/USS_Enterprise_approaches_Earth_Spacedock.jpg
3. I heard somewhere of an early script where Kirk was to die in charge of the battle bridge of the D after the saucer had separated to get away from the Duras Bird of Prey and giving it time to escape with the civilian's? anyone else heard of that? I think they had redone the timetable so that the planet was saved first before the battle and the saucer separated not to avoid a breach but to get the civilans away from all the harm the Duras disrupter's were doing to the civilian areas, I can only assume in this version the D was actually fighting back..
4. Anyone see the deleted see the deleted scene where the shuttle lands on the planet and Picard asks Worf and Geordi if there had been "some trouble with the klingons" when he notices burns on the hull? I really think they should have left that in.
5. Why was the bridge and everywhere else so damm dark??????
6. I only noticed this a few days ago, I stopped watchin ST years ago when I was a kid and only started again last year, I pulled out some old toys from my parents attic with a view to seeing if I could sell them, and noticed Picard and La Forge figures had a starfleet uniform that looked like something out of Babylon 5 only with one red and one orange (for Picard and LaForge repsectivly) I thought they looked much better than the DS9 jumpsuits. I looked it up they were going to use them but never did and nobody told Playmates and they were made anyway
7. They should have added that third naccele from AGT and that phaser cannon would have come in handy during the battle.
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robbiewebster
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| Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:41 pm |
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I don't really have answers to everything, but as far as that deleted scene, I did like that but I'm sure it was because of time restraints. Also, as far as the upgrades to the Enterprise from AGT. Wasn't that an alternate dimension or timeline?
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Lord Borg
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| Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:55 am Re: Star Trek Generations (observations and a question) |
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| PhoenixIreland wrote: | Observations;
1. I'm sure I'm not the first to note this but....did Picard just bury Kirk under rocks and not tell anyone??? I always thought they should have included like a funeral scene back on earth for the biggest legend in the entire franchise??? maybe with the original cast, TNG cast and Sisko attending
I am sure he told someone, and most likely, when the time came, Captain Kirk's body was retrieved, and taken to Earth for a proper burial. At the time, it had just been Picard and Kirk, and considering the situation he was in, he had done what he thought was appropriate. Due to the prime directive, and the like, I would bet that one of the ships that took the Enterprise-D survivors had also taken his body. While certainly not canon, but still worth a mention in this case, The Return opens with a team arriving to the planet with the intentions of retrieving his body for a funeral at Earth.
2. I always thought it would have been good to see a scene like the on at the end of ST IV where they were introduced to the E (renamed from some other new ship that was going to be launched), maybe where they fly up to another Galaxy class ship then pass it and out pops the sovereign class E, in Earth Spacedock
always loved that station...
This would have been interesting, but at the time, they did not know that this would be the name of the class for the new Enterprise, backstage sources suggests that at first, it was going to be another Galaxy class starship. It's also suggested from dialog in Star Trek First Contact that it hadn't even been completed yet.
3. I heard somewhere of an early script where Kirk was to die in charge of the battle bridge of the D after the saucer had separated to get away from the Duras Bird of Prey and giving it time to escape with the civilian's? anyone else heard of that? I think they had redone the timetable so that the planet was saved first before the battle and the saucer separated not to avoid a breach but to get the civilans away from all the harm the Duras disrupter's were doing to the civilian areas, I can only assume in this version the D was actually fighting back..
I hadn't heard this, the original filmed scene, but deleted due to poor response actually had Kirk dying from Soran shooting him in the back. A more...favorable, heroic scene was written and filmed to replace this, as we see in the final version of the film.
4. Anyone see the deleted see the deleted scene where the shuttle lands on the planet and Picard asks Worf and Geordi if there had been "some trouble with the klingons" when he notices burns on the hull? I really think they should have left that in.
I agree it should have been left in, for some reason I thought the scene sat well within the movie. I suppose for timing and pacing reasons, the scene didn't make the final cut.
5. Why was the bridge and everywhere else so damm dark??????
Who knows, it was a decision on behalf of the production team to do this. In universe, the change lighting was due to a refit Enterprise-D had received prior to the films start. Probably done so for dramatic reasons, to give it a more film feel.
6. I only noticed this a few days ago, I stopped watchin ST years ago when I was a kid and only started again last year, I pulled out some old toys from my parents attic with a view to seeing if I could sell them, and noticed Picard and La Forge figures had a starfleet uniform that looked like something out of Babylon 5 only with one red and one orange (for Picard and LaForge repsectivly) I thought they looked much better than the DS9 jumpsuits. I looked it up they were going to use them but never did and nobody told Playmates and they were made anyway
Yeah, original plans had called for new uniforms for the movie, but this was scrapped at the last minute for several reasons, including budget concerns. However, the toys had already gone to press and had been made, making it to late for them to be fixed.
7. They should have added that third naccele from AGT and that phaser cannon would have come in handy during the battle.
Perhaps, that was mostly something seen in Q's Anti-Time, and being as some shots were stock footage, there'd have been continuity errors in doing this. The third nacelle does make an appearance on a Galaxy-class in DS9, I believe. This wouldn't have been to much help though, as the Klingons had been shooting through the shields. |
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| Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:57 pm Ashes to ashes... |
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Picard would've had to file a report and the Federation wouldn't have left the body of one of its greatest heroes on some backwater planet. 
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| Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:45 pm Re: Star Trek Generations (observations and a question) |
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In Response:
1. Your idea would have been nice. I had originally thought something similar myself. Personally, I think they should make a movie out of William Shatner's book: "The Return". Kirk lives on!
2. Nah, that would have been very anti-climactic.
3. I like the idea of Kirk and the battle bridge, but then he would've been blown to bits or something equally unpleasant. Not to mention, how would they have introduced the Enterprise-E if all Starfleet would've had to do is refit the Ent.-D with a new Battle Bridge?
4. A very good scene that should have stayed but didn't. Much like the alternate opening with Kirk space-skydiving to Earth.
5. I didn't really think the D bridge was dark.... Unless you refer to the Enterprise- B? Now that was a dark bridge. Very sleek though.
6. I don't have anything to say to that, as I haven't seen the old toy figures.
7. "All Good Things" was one of the best, if not THE best episode of TNG. (But who among us doesn't like time-travel episodes?) And I have always liked that sexy looking, 3 nacelled bad-boy Enterprise-D. But it was an alternate timeline where the Enterprise-D doesn't crashland. I imagine that the writers had the "out with the old, in with the new" philosophy in mind. If we had seen that futuristic Ent.-D on the big screen, it would have been that much harder to blow up part of it and crashland the saucer on Veridian III. Not to mention the likely long explanation of HOW and WHY the ship got all those upgrades.
PS: For the love of all that is sane and original, please, nobody say the Borg would explain #7 on the big screen. 
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