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For those of us who've already seen the movie and want to discuss it without censoring spoilers, here's the place to do it!  !
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| Tue May 19, 2009 3:10 pm |
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Jeej! Now i'm sure people want to talk about how awesome the movie was and what things where awesome about it. Later, because first i want to talk about the huge plot holes this movie has. Its actually quite hilarious for me as i didn't even notice them myself. I was just ignoring it and was distracted by the comedy and action in the movie. But i read them later on IMDB and,  :
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/goofs
omg. i can't even disagree with those plot holes. Especially the one about Romulus sun being gone if the black hole would have worked, Romulus would have become uninhabitable anyway. Also the black hole created to suck up the super nova would have probably destroyed Romulus anyway.
or how about the fact that the red matter causes different kinds of black holes. Those that stay, disappear right after they are created or take objects going in it back in time instead of crushing them?
and of course my favorite: Why would Nero want to punish Spock for destroying Romulus while he has arrived 100 years into the past and Romulus is fine again, making it possible for him to safe Romulus and give the Romulans advanced technology from the future?
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| Wed May 20, 2009 12:03 pm |
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Great,a spoiler friendly thread,finally 
| lionhead wrote: | Jeej! Now i'm sure people want to talk about how awesome the movie was and what things where awesome about it. Later, because first i want to talk about the huge plot holes this movie has. Its actually quite hilarious for me as i didn't even notice them myself. I was just ignoring it and was distracted by the comedy and action in the movie. But i read them later on IMDB and, :
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796366/goofs
omg. i can't even disagree with those plot holes. Especially the one about Romulus sun being gone if the black hole would have worked, Romulus would have become uninhabitable anyway. Also the black hole created to suck up the super nova would have probably destroyed Romulus anyway.
or how about the fact that the red matter causes different kinds of black holes. Those that stay, disappear right after they are created or take objects going in it back in time instead of crushing them?
and of course my favorite: Why would Nero want to punish Spock for destroying Romulus while he has arrived 100 years into the past and Romulus is fine again, making it possible for him to safe Romulus and give the Romulans advanced technology from the future? |
@ Lionhead :
It is stated in Countdown by Spock that the Hobus star wich went supernova did so at an almost supernatural rate.It kept growing faster and faster,the more it consumed (planets),the more powerfull it grew.Therefore there is speculation among some that a Supernova that behaved like that was either 1)a plot point to show that even SF and Spock can fail and no one can save everything all the time (real life) or 2) a planned action by some as yet unnamed power wich would have to be fairly omnipotent like Q and be able to see all timelines at once (like the prophets).There would be that risk of using the red matter of those effects,ie making the planet uninhabatable BUT many millions/billions of lives would have been saved.Emergency heating and life support could have kicked in untill more evac ships showed up.Spocks plan was to intercept the wave before it reached romulus,so im guessing a safe distance not to create a black hole that would suck in inhabited planets.
Red matter i guess is something not even the Vulcans understood 100% (the rescue plan was based on theory) and so being a substance not based in 100% science (it is science fiction after all @ a lot of trek and not everything in it is science FACT ; ) ) i guess we can allow it to act unpredictable like the Nexus and stuff
The crew of the Narada arrived in the past but they had no control over where they were heading.Both the Narada and the Jellyfish was sucked in by the first red matter created black hole.Thus when they emerged and the Kelvin showed up,they had NO idea where they were or what time.It was one of the reasons they questioned captain Robau and why Nero killed him in rage and frustration with the Debrune Teral'n (yeah i..had to look up the spelling on that again,it used to be the romulan preators- ) after finding out they were 100something years in the past.(see above why Spocks ship only popped out 25 years later - red matter black holes - REALY unpredictable).Also why it took 25 years for them to attack Vulcan - They had a run in with the Klingons after the Kelvin was rammed into them (this is shown in the deleted scenes wich will be on DVD) and was imprisoned on Rura Penthe.
Also,as in Countdown,against Spock and everyones expectations,the vulcan council REFUSED to give the tech to help romulus the first time around,because they believed the romulans to be too aggresive and that the latter would use it for millitary purposes (all that distrust between the two races).So Nero told Spock that,if anything happened to Romulus,he would hold him personally responsible.Also its not like say,federation technology and say,First contact or Star trek 5,in that,there was no way for Spock or Nero to return to the time they came from(cant trust those random holes),so,they couldnt warn anyone to change things and then go back.So no matter what,everyone they cared about,was lost and dead to them.And even if they WERE thinking rational (which the romulans werent,you see them in Countdown as really likeable and honorable,but then they snap 360 degrees) and tried to warn the Romulans...the first time they tried that in their time the romulans refused to listen to Spock or Nero.....because,you know,arrogant politicians know EVERYTHING ;/
So the best they could do was destroy all opposition and hope that in the future it would fix things for Romulus,and then later after they`d all raged out,to maybe find some way back.But talking things out def. wasnt on their schedule.
Sorry for wall of text ;/
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| Thu May 21, 2009 11:16 am |
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| neo_viral wrote: |
@ Lionhead :
It is stated in Countdown by Spock that the Hobus star wich went supernova did so at an almost supernatural rate.It kept growing faster and faster,the more it consumed (planets),the more powerfull it grew.Therefore there is speculation among some that a Supernova that behaved like that was either 1)a plot point to show that even SF and Spock can fail and no one can save everything all the time (real life) or 2) a planned action by some as yet unnamed power wich would have to be fairly omnipotent like Q and be able to see all timelines at once (like the prophets).There would be that risk of using the red matter of those effects,ie making the planet uninhabatable BUT many millions/billions of lives would have been saved.Emergency heating and life support could have kicked in untill more evac ships showed up.Spocks plan was to intercept the wave before it reached romulus,so im guessing a safe distance not to create a black hole that would suck in inhabited planets.
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If the star was going super nova because of someone tampering with it(like in Star Trek: Generations") how come Spock had already arrived and had all the plans ready to stop the heat wave from reaching Romulus? Wouldn't it take an enormous amount of time to come up with plan to defeat the Super Nova? Even such a strange one?
Also, Wouldn't evac ships have shipped out as many people as possible before Spock would have even started his plans? I mean, he didn't start the Super Nova, he's jut trying to safe as many as he can isn't he? So wouldn't many millions of people, probably even billions have already been transported off world? I mean, if the plan of Spock failed, and it did, shouldn't they have had all the people off the planet by then? Assuming of course they already knew of the Super Nova Months or even weeks before. Whatever time it takes for a planet-wide evacuation of billions in the Future.
In that light, Spock must have meant to keep the planet whole, just because it was their home planet. But they wouldn't have been able to reinhabit it anyway, so why so incredibly upset when the plan failed?
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Red matter i guess is something not even the Vulcans understood 100% (the rescue plan was based on theory) and so being a substance not based in 100% science (it is science fiction after all @ a lot of trek and not everything in it is science FACT ; ) ) i guess we can allow it to act unpredictable like the Nexus and stuff |
Thats very true. I'll give you that.
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The crew of the Narada arrived in the past but they had no control over where they were heading.Both the Narada and the Jellyfish was sucked in by the first red matter created black hole.Thus when they emerged and the Kelvin showed up,they had NO idea where they were or what time.It was one of the reasons they questioned captain Robau and why Nero killed him in rage and frustration with the Debrune Teral'n (yeah i..had to look up the spelling on that again,it used to be the romulan preators- ) after finding out they were 100something years in the past.(see above why Spocks ship only popped out 25 years later - red matter black holes - REALY unpredictable).Also why it took 25 years for them to attack Vulcan - They had a run in with the Klingons after the Kelvin was rammed into them (this is shown in the deleted scenes wich will be on DVD) and was imprisoned on Rura Penthe. |
The destruction of the Kelvin was precitable. A logical response for Romulans, totally disorientated. Their quarrel with the Klingons too, and their attack on Ambassador Spock. But they didn't for 1 second in those 25 years think about the fact they where stuck in that time? Wouldn't they actually attack Ambassador Spocks ship to get the Anti matter so they can try and go back home? Why stay and kill billions, so to be stuck in a Universe where they are hated and surely will be hunted down?
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Also,as in Countdown,against Spock and everyones expectations,the vulcan council REFUSED to give the tech to help romulus the first time around,because they believed the romulans to be too aggresive and that the latter would use it for millitary purposes (all that distrust between the two races).So Nero told Spock that,if anything happened to Romulus,he would hold him personally responsible.Also its not like say,federation technology and say,First contact or Star trek 5,in that,there was no way for Spock or Nero to return to the time they came from(cant trust those random holes),so,they couldnt warn anyone to change things and then go back.So no matter what,everyone they cared about,was lost and dead to them.And even if they WERE thinking rational (which the romulans werent,you see them in Countdown as really likeable and honorable,but then they snap 360 degrees) and tried to warn the Romulans...the first time they tried that in their time the romulans refused to listen to Spock or Nero.....because,you know,arrogant politicians know EVERYTHING ;/
So the best they could do was destroy all opposition and hope that in the future it would fix things for Romulus,and then later after they`d all raged out,to maybe find some way back.But talking things out def. wasnt on their schedule.
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What about all of the very important information they have about alien species(like the dominion and Borg) they could give to the Romulans, even if these Romulans didn't hold any connection to the Romulans they knew in the Future. I mean, sure the Federation would deny technology from the future because of the prime directive and Vulcans are just too damn stubborn and xenophobic. But Romulans wouldn't hold back on advanced technology, Romulan technology. Wouldn't they at last try to talk to the Romulans? They could have easily stopped the trangedy from 100 years in the Future from happening with the information they have. They could also have made Spock pay for what happened to their Romulus, even destroy Vulcan. But why go further? In some time in those 25 years they must have had some rational thought in their brain about their position.
I mean, they are Romulans afterall and maybe their Future Romulus is destroyed, the past version isn't and it still has their species.
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| Thu May 21, 2009 1:00 pm |
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| Quote: | If the star was going super nova because of someone tampering with it(like in Star Trek: Generations") how come Spock had already arrived and had all the plans ready to stop the heat wave from reaching Romulus? Wouldn't it take an enormous amount of time to come up with plan to defeat the Super Nova? Even such a strange one?
Also, Wouldn't evac ships have shipped out as many people as possible before Spock would have even started his plans? I mean, he didn't start the Super Nova, he's jut trying to safe as many as he can isn't he? So wouldn't many millions of people, probably even billions have already been transported off world? I mean, if the plan of Spock failed, and it did, shouldn't they have had all the people off the planet by then? Assuming of course they already knew of the Super Nova Months or even weeks before. Whatever time it takes for a planet-wide evacuation of billions in the Future.
In that light, Spock must have meant to keep the planet whole, just because it was their home planet. But they wouldn't have been able to reinhabit it anyway, so why so incredibly upset when the plan failed? |
Spock made calculations based on his many years of experience.If this was a nova he`d dealt with before he should have had enough safe time.But as he said,then the "unthinkable " happened,the star went nova.It caught him AND everyone else offguard.If it wasnt just nature being unnatural (as it sometimes can get) and if it WAS some other force,that force is way too all knowing and planning and powerfull,so lets hope its not >.>
Yes Spock was trying to save Romulus and all the other planets,but no Evac ships had evacuated ANYONE by then because when he and Nero told the council about the danger they didnt want to believe them,thus,the romulan public had no idea,and the council didnt inform anyone except maybe the Tal Shiar and their millitary contacts who ran that Vault cloaked base.So basically the unknowing public were caught pants down.The events in countdown happens over around a few days,and in that time no one was evacuated as far as we know.Spock tried to stop the nova after it destroyed romulus,he really WANTED to before but it went all weird on starfleet and everyone else and raced ahead.So when he raced to stop it and try to save other planets,thats when Nero broke off the attack of the Enterprise and went after him and how they both ended up in a black hole.And they were upset and furious because i guess,moving to another planet is bad,but seeing everything you called home and everyone you cared about destroyed and feeling betrayed is much worse (and we know Romulans get WAY more emotional than Vulcans)
| Quote: | | The destruction of the Kelvin was precitable. A logical response for Romulans, totally disorientated. Their quarrel with the Klingons too, and their attack on Ambassador Spock. But they didn't for 1 second in those 25 years think about the fact they where stuck in that time? Wouldn't they actually attack Ambassador Spocks ship to get the Anti matter so they can try and go back home? Why stay and kill billions, so to be stuck in a Universe where they are hated and surely will be hunted down? |
They attacked his ship to 1) get the red matter to help them destroy and take revenge on the whole federation (vulcan being first on the list for them) 2) Capture him and then make him watch them blow up vulcan to make him feel like they felt when they arrived too late and were powerless to save their home world.They were far beyond thinking in rational starfleet terms.We would think like that,but they didnt (and. then again..would we if we went through what they did ?).Watching most of the crew of the Narada one could see they were definately beyond reason and sanity in a twitching sort of way . It didnt matter to them if they killed billions,trillions,and every ship was after them.In the future they destroyed all challengers (cardassian vessels,most of the klingon fleet,a lot of the SF fleet),and they were like,vengeance incarnate,focussed on the goal of revenge,with a side dish of making the empire stronger by destroying the enemies,and IF possible,then going back to the future (but by the way they behaved,they thought this was not possible,because they never spoked or hoped about it from what we saw....and it would be IMPOSSIBLE to pop out on an exact time with red matter induced weird sci fi black hole time travel...so how else would they reach home ? Well..there are ways but...yeah they werent thinking much They werent going to sit down and think things out with reason.Set phasers to either vaporize or tranquelisers! etc ;/
| Quote: | What about all of the very important information they have about alien species(like the dominion and Borg) they could give to the Romulans, even if these Romulans didn't hold any connection to the Romulans they knew in the Future. I mean, sure the Federation would deny technology from the future because of the prime directive and Vulcans are just too damn stubborn and xenophobic. But Romulans wouldn't hold back on advanced technology, Romulan technology. Wouldn't they at last try to talk to the Romulans? They could have easily stopped the trangedy from 100 years in the Future from happening with the information they have. They could also have made Spock pay for what happened to their Romulus, even destroy Vulcan. But why go further? In some time in those 25 years they must have had some rational thought in their brain about their position.
I mean, they are Romulans afterall and maybe their Future Romulus is destroyed, the past version isn't and it still has their species. |
That would have made perfect sense to any sane person who planned ahead and then,i guess,Kirk and co. would face some unstoppable romulan empire and most movies have to be about the good guys winning ,so if that happened it would be nigh impossible,so i guess also its part of the writers making things a little EASIER for the heroes to win :p
Also though they cared about making the empire stronger in the future (a distant goal like getting back home SOME WAY,in the back of the line after 1) revenge 2) more revenge 3) MORE REVENGE FFF) the same empire failed them with its political arrogance and system.And everyone they cared about dont exist in this time.Maybe they would have dropped by for some ale or something AFTER all the revenge and they ran out of stuff to blow up,but sharing tech and stuff wasnt their way (being not really sane thinking anymore and such)
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| Fri May 22, 2009 3:44 am |
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"Bloody green-blooded hobgoblin"
McCoy was eloquently well portrayed, no?
I also liked the lines:
Kirk: "You do know Starfleet operates in space, right?"
McCoy: "I know. I have to leave the planet. My ex-wife won it in the divorce."
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| Fri May 22, 2009 7:04 pm |
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Overall I liked the movie, but several things about it did bother me. Uhura for one--she was nothing like the old Uhura--and some of the physics things. Like the drill. You don't actually need to put the black hole inside a planet to make the planet go away. And the thing where they parachuted from space into the atmosphere... parachuted. The forces at work there would snap a person in half instantly. I don't understand why that was necessary, seeing as I'm sure they had jetpacks they could have used. The amount of redmatter--if so little was necessary to create the blackhole, why in god's name would Spock synthesize so much of it? Where it's so dangerous, I don't see why he would do that, logically. And finally, Kirk becoming a Captain straight out of the academy. I could see promoting him to Lt., maybe even Commander for his efforts, but Captain? Jumping the gun much?
I have gotten over the destroying the timeline thing, because I understand that Star Trek needs to evolve to continue to exist. However, I will miss the original timeline, and I'm disappointed that they never finished DS9, and now they never, ever will. Meh, so it goes.
Overall I enjoyed the movie, and would probably enjoy it more the second time, since the second time through I could suspend my disbelief. I would have done it differently, though.
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| Fri May 22, 2009 10:42 pm |
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| Arellia wrote: | | And finally, Kirk becoming a Captain straight out of the academy. I could see promoting him to Lt., maybe even Commander for his efforts, but Captain? Jumping the gun much? |
I can see your point here, but remember when he was first on the Enterprise, he didn't really have a "rank" other than cadet...he was on the ship "illegally" so to speak and was then eventually promoted to first officer by than Enterprise captain Christopher Pike, probably along with the rank of commander. So after his efforts and everything that they all went through o the Enterprise...it was only...hmmm...logical that he be promoted to captain after being the first officer.
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| Fri May 22, 2009 11:47 pm |
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I liked the movie, but Nero as a villain was pretty poor. As others pointed out, I get that he is driven insane by the loss of his world/family, but in 25 years he never changed? Not to mention, he or at least a member of his crew, should have wanted to do something different? Maybe warn Romulus or whatever...
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| Sat May 23, 2009 4:33 am |
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I really liked the casting,and all the characters,everyone was done really well imho There is great chemistry between them (and its said maybe it was the LACK of much chemistry in Enterprise that sort of ruined it)
And it had lots of memorable lines & moments,many of wich are floating around in memes across the internet at the moment (Whereas Nemesis....well......)
I loved the humor and action.Favorite characters ?...well hard to choose.In no particular order : McCoy,Sulu,Chekov,Kirk,Spock,OLD Spock,Uhura,Pike,Scotty,Security Ensign Cupcake,Nero,.....did i miss anyone ? ;/ I dont know,there was no one who i didnt like.Everyone gave something to the movie.
I loved the ship designs and the effects.And the space battles.It brought to life the actual dangers of space (getting sucked into the void etc),and it seemed really realistic for the time period it was set in @ controls and say,engineering.
Classic Uhura whilst really good,well,this Uhura i think got to do and say way more than Classic Uhura did in the whole of TOS (one of those underused characters) and i can see how some people can be upset about her relationship with Spock but...this IS an alternate timeline.Also it doesnt mean the characters we grew up with and watched are gone,that timeline of DS9 still exists,this is just a parallel sort of one ,Paramount would have a death wish if they just went and destroyed decades of canon trek in one movie (picture swarm of trek fanatics charging Paramount HQ).And of course the old timeline story will be continued in the ST online game.So our favorite characters still exist there.(But we can hope for something DS9 related like a future series..that was one of my favorite series too)
So as much as this movie brought tribute to classic trek with little and large details,some things are different and still enjoyable.For example we all noticed im sure in classic Trek Kirk got his shirt ripped and won nearly every fight,wheras in the movie he got his ass kicked in almost every instance (not for lack of trying) XD But he was still a rebelious newbie,maybe in some new series they`ll make him punch harder ?
I know some of the things might not really make perfect sense in a science or physics or story way but its after all,science FICTION,not really science FACT (though some of it is based on science we know) and...whose to say in a thousand years some of it might not be as yet undiscovered now science fact ? I mean not all things in life makes sense i guess. 
@ Founder :
Well though its been said that part was written a bit thinly and dont make much sense around the web (though with Countdown it makes a little more sense but still) i guess in the end the writers had to cram everything into 2 hours or such,and didnt have the time to explain more or go in other directions like they might have if this was a series.We might as well say that,why didnt Soran stop chasing after the Nexus,or Shinzon find some other path other than persuing after Picard.Writer plot points i guess,though we might not be happy with all of them.Imho Eric Bana did a great job even though he had like,3 or so scenes,he was really intense XD.
Trek needed a reboot.I mean dont know if it was just me but in Nemesis the cast looked...tired and distracted.
Favorite parts of the movie : Practically everything.Want Moar !
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| Sat May 23, 2009 9:17 am |
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| Curtis wrote: | | Arellia wrote: | | And finally, Kirk becoming a Captain straight out of the academy. I could see promoting him to Lt., maybe even Commander for his efforts, but Captain? Jumping the gun much? |
I can see your point here, but remember when he was first on the Enterprise, he didn't really have a "rank" other than cadet...he was on the ship "illegally" so to speak and was then eventually promoted to first officer by than Enterprise captain Christopher Pike, probably along with the rank of commander. So after his efforts and everything that they all went through o the Enterprise...it was only...hmmm...logical that he be promoted to captain after being the first officer. |
Just because you are given first officer of a ship does not make you a commander. Anyone can be the first officer if the Captain decides he should be. Kirk was put in charge of a position on the ship, he was not promoted in rank on the spot. Furthermore, even the "Captain" of a vessel doesn't have to be a Captain in rank--Captain is a title, of anyone in charge of a vessel once the real Captain is gone. O'Brien explained this to Nog on DS9 in detail. So no, it's not logical. Not that it matters since they just went ahead and did it, but it's a little but stupid.
And I understand that it's fiction so science doesn't necessarily count, but the use of a parachute when they could have done something else was just a silly plot device. They didn't need to be that outrageous.
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| Sat May 23, 2009 3:17 pm |
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Well neo_viral sure made a few points on those plot holes. Don't want to ruin the topic with nitpicking so i won't.
I acually liked the part with the parachuting onto the Drill. Humans would still be trained to go to the extremes. Who know what Starfleet officers are put through in training. Looked reallly cool too.
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| Mon May 25, 2009 12:25 am |
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| Arellia wrote: | | And I understand that it's fiction so science doesn't necessarily count, but the use of a parachute when they could have done something else was just a silly plot device. They didn't need to be that outrageous. |
With that, I actually I agree with. The parachuting scene was a good scene as lionhead said, at least I liked the action in it and what not...but the fact that they did it is just silly and outrageous, should've gone with something more...idk...trekkie-like.
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| Fri May 29, 2009 11:48 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | I liked the movie, but Nero as a villain was pretty poor. As others pointed out, I get that he is driven insane by the loss of his world/family, but in 25 years he never changed? Not to mention, he or at least a member of his crew, should have wanted to do something different? Maybe warn Romulus or whatever... |
Spock states that vulcans and romulans have similar physiology, so maybe they have a similar lifespan which would explain why he didn't seem to age during the 25 years.
On another note, did anyone else catch why Scotty was being "punished"? He said that he had a freak transporter accident involving Admiral Archer's prize beagle. I was thinking that this couldn't be Jonathan Archer from Enterprise, but I did some research and I found this quote from Bob Orci (one of the film's writers) "...Admiral Archer is a reference to the Archer we all know and love, and yes he would be over 100, which is a likely life expectancy in a futuristic space faring race of humans (as depicted by McCoy�s (Deforest Kelley) in THE NEXT GENERATION."
It must be a different dog though, I doubt Porthos lived to be 100
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| Sat May 30, 2009 12:01 am |
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| squiggy wrote: | "Bloody green-blooded hobgoblin"
McCoy was eloquently well portrayed, no?
I also liked the lines:
Kirk: "You do know Starfleet operates in space, right?"
McCoy: "I know. I have to leave the planet. My ex-wife won it in the divorce."
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Actual Quotes:
Kirk: Well, I hate to break this to you, but Starfleet operates in space.
Bones: Yeah. Well, I got nowhere else to go, the ex-wife took the whole damn planet in the divorce. All I got left is my bones.
My favorite:
Bones: Do you? OK, then. Are you out of your Vulcan mind? Are you making a logical choice, sending Kirk away? Probably. But, the right one? You know, back home we have a saying: "If you wanna ride in the Kentucky Derby, you don't leave your prized stallion in the stable."
Spock: A curious metaphor, doctor, as a stallion must first be broken before it can reach its potential.
Bones: My God, man, you could at least *act* like it was a hard decision...
Spock: I intend to assist in the effort to reestablish communication with Starfleet. However, if crew morale is better served by my roaming the halls weeping, I will gladly defer to your medical expertise. Excuse me.
Bones: Green-blooded hobgoblin...
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| Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:32 pm |
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Some questions answered in a Q&A with the writers on trekmovie.com here :
http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/22/orci-and-kurtzman-reveal-star-trek-details-in-trekmovie-fan-qa/
Well in spite of Countdown called the OFFICIAL prequel...it is now seen as non canon.....doesnt mean it still cant be enjoyed,same with the books and stuff but still im a little dissapointed.....why call something official if its not canon?.Then again theres been this unwritten rule in trek that whatever is onscreen is canon and in books and stuff doesnt count.Might explain some discrepencies but imho might confuse and thin some plot.Then again these guys got a lot of info from the Trek wiki..they werent really Trekkers before they wrote the script....so i guess also maybe they got a little overwhelmed and wasnt expecting fans to notice ALL the little details ;/ I still love the movie.Lets hope they can keep it up and it wasnt just a case of us Trek fans being so starved for Trek ANYTHING tasted good.
Also for those who havent done so yet (everyone probably has been there already by now),check out the official movie sites for leet desktop icons and screensavers and wallpapers and just playing around if your bored and waiting for the DVD
www.startrekmovie.com (can listen to the OST whilst you browse if you havent already bought it.With a really good Enterprise theme - All nice & shiny on the inside)
http://www.nokia.com/microsites/star-trek
(Download HD trailers,more leet screensavers [the space one is epic],browse dosiers etc.Narada themed - why does some areas of their ship look more pro-gamer setup than tactical,nm working environment with 100 screens and such ? I swear i saw some Xbox bits.Might be another reason they did nothing productive rly in two decades.Get acess to an exclusive Kirk clip etc whilst they market their new phones on us XD)
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IntrepidIsMe
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| Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:53 am |
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Who says it isn't canon?
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neo_viral
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| Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:07 am |
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The movie writers said so,in the Q&A session with fans,on the first link .Being the writers i guess their word counts....unless and i hope they only meant certain parts NOT being canon ,wich would be better than the whole thing not being canon.
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| Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:36 am |
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Oh I see. Weird.
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neo_viral
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| Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:19 pm |
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They are gonna release another 4 book series around august dealing with what happened in those 25 years....guess this will tide us over untill the dvd with all those missing scenes like infant spock and young kirk and uncle,klingons etc.
This will probably also be labelled as "official" and then non canon but meh :/
Artwork is looking as leet as Countdown and ZOMG the Klingons are looking so classicaly badass !
http://trekmovie.com/2009/06/17/star-trek-nero-comic-to-cover-neros-lost-years-exclusive-preview/
Cant wait for moar Klingon & Romulan parts.Dunno if it will feature anything about SF....well,can see captain robeau but...he`s not looking very alive is he ;/
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Cosiris
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| Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:43 am A new chapter in the saga. |
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Trek owes its longevity to its ability to evolve and meet the needs of its audience. This new Trek is simply that, an evolution.It's not my choice of storytelling methods and I do feel it was a bit of a cop-out starting everything over from scratch but I was never fond of do-overs either. Instead of playing the hand it had, Paramount decided to press the Reset button and hit us with a mulligan. We have little choice but to see where they go with it. Let's hope it was worth it and Trek now gets recharged with all the mindless action, fast-paced sequences and barebones character development that seems to mark all 21st Century SF. 
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