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Arellia
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PostMon Nov 03, 2008 8:21 pm    Torturing children is legal.

So if a girl is "only" slapped to unconsciousness, thrown across a room and dragged around by her hair, screamed at, has all privacy (including doors) removed and has a history complete with old scars of having been whipped, can you tell me why CPS doesn't care?

Because I've just been informed that torturing a child is legal as long as it doesn't leave new-looking marks. My best friend's girlfriend has been beaten by her loving mother. She couldn't take it when they decided to take the doors off her room and bathroom. She came to stay with me. We decided to contact the police and tell them what happened so they knew she was safe but couldn't go back to her parents. So what do the police do?

They said it was fine on the phone, she could stay with us until formal charges were made and she would NOT be sent to her parents, but showed up and handcuffed her and took her to juvi. They're sending her to her parents again where I'm afraid she may be killed, because apparently someone decided that information was no longer important.

I called CPS again and they said, quote, "MIGHT be killed is like saying a fire MIGHT start in your house." Might be killed is enough for me. The officers acted like they didn't even hear me when I said her parents BEAT her. CPS said that you are free to discipline your child as you choose as long as you don't break anything. By this admission, I guess waterboarding is okay too. And certain kinds of poisons, so long as the child doesn't die or have marks.

This is one of the many reasons to be proud of America, I guess.


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PostTue Nov 04, 2008 4:20 am    

Which is actually just their' way of saying "I don't have time to give a *beep*".
Oddly enough, Arellia, they are actually breaking a common Canadian/American Federal law, which stipulates that NO PERSON may ASSAULT another PERSON.
A child is considered a person, according to the law.
Therefore, This woman is guilty of assault on her daughter.
In addition, anything from spanking, to hitting has been illegal in both countries since well before 2000.
Perhaps you should call them back and ask them to revise their' handbook, as it is, actually, quite illegal, to beat your' child.
Also, write a letter to the editor. Keep it clean, and sparse of details, as they generally frown on anything remotely "brutal", however keep in the details that Child Protection Services((For those who don't know the abreviation)) was completely useless, and counter-helpful.
A similar letter should go to your' state representative.


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PostTue Nov 04, 2008 8:30 am    

Well I don't know about your case, but I know several cases where CPS has been extremely active in responding to complaints. Be sure that you look up the legal definition of what abuse is in your state. I would then call the CPS again and provide them with this, as well as specific information showing that this is a future threat to the child.

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PostTue Nov 04, 2008 9:27 am    

I am calling CPS for the 4th time, yes, but everyone else has told me that without marks, abuse is apparently okay. I have informed several officers of these offences, and said officers have not reported it or done anything about it. I thought that any child abuse allegation told to a police officer, counselor or other medical person is supposed to be immediately reported. However, these police are sympathetic to her parents.

The officer on her case told me, "Well I know her parents personally and I know her, my kids go to school with her..."

Isn't that an ethics violation of some kind?

We will be writing senators and representatives, but to be honest, it will be too late. Her parents may have already taken her away this morning, the detention office was not allowed to tell me either way and I could not go speak to her. Her parents will be able to intimidate her as much as they like before she sees a judge regarding her running away. After a night in jail I hardly think she's going to want to trust the police or anyone else. The system has already failed in so many ways, and here I was doing the "right" thing telling officials that the girl was safe. They just go ahead and move her into the "unsafe" category. I mean, really. What kind of cop sends her back when she's protesting, saying, "They're going to hurt me, please don't send me back."


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PostTue Nov 04, 2008 2:49 pm    

Wow, this is really sad, to sad for words, really. I would have thought that wounds that she had could be evidence enough, but they are to old? Huh.


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PostFri Nov 07, 2008 4:42 am    

Arellia, you should file a complaint with the police department if that is what you are getting.
Here's why:
Under the law, it is illegal for an officer to investigate, or dismiss, any complaint which they are biased on.

Therefore, as the officer in question apparently knows, and likes the parents of these children, it is illegal for them to dismiss or investigate your' claim. Demand to talk to SOMEONE who will do something about it.


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PostFri Dec 12, 2008 12:21 pm    

Arellia wrote:
What kind of cop sends her back when she's protesting, saying, "They're going to hurt me, please don't send me back."


Unfortunatly, the police officer may have just been following orders, however the Child does actually belong in the care of his or her parents. You will need to be contacting social services if that doesn't work you will need to write to your local MP or constituency. But don't blame the police officer for what he/she is doing, 90% of the time the officer is working under orders and will follow those orders......


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PostFri May 29, 2009 5:45 am    

Torturing children must not be allowed. Children must be given proper discipline that to torture them.

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PostFri May 29, 2009 3:23 pm    

Alpha6006 wrote:
Arellia wrote:
What kind of cop sends her back when she's protesting, saying, "They're going to hurt me, please don't send me back."


Unfortunatly, the police officer may have just been following orders, however the Child does actually belong in the care of his or her parents. You will need to be contacting social services if that doesn't work you will need to write to your local MP or constituency. But don't blame the police officer for what he/she is doing, 90% of the time the officer is working under orders and will follow those orders......


Actually, depending on the local laws, and rules, a police officer, confronted with such a situation((At least here, and I'd hope it was in more jurisdictions than just this province of Canada)), can, legally bring the child to the steps of Social Services upon learning of either abuse, or threats of abuse issued to the child. At this point Social Services is legally required to investigate, and ensure the safety of the child. I find it rather disturbing that you say "Don't blame the police officer..." Don't blame them? For failing to be a human being about a girl who could be beaten up and/or killed by her parents? This is *EXACTLY* what I mean when I say the world has gone to hell sometimes. What's the duty of a Police officer? To SERVE AND PROTECT the people of the country, and to enforce the laws of the country. If they are going to turn away from a defenceless child being beaten up, and you aren't going to blame them for it, are you going to blame them, if it is you being beaten up, and they turn away?

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/end rant.

Also, @ decena2009:

If I catch your' syntax correctly, I'd like to point out that hitting, beating, and spanking your' children has been outlawed in Canada, and most states since the late 1990's. Even in matters of discipline.


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