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admiralcliff Crewman
Joined: 16 Nov 2008 Posts: 4 Location: England UK
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Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:38 pm Is the borg queen dead?.... |
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I'm confused?, in endgame the borg queen is alive and kicking yet i recall picard breaking her spinal column???...
if i remember both voyager and next gen occupy the same time frame...just tryin to get a grip on time of events.......
think i need to get out more!......
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ensonchucky Crewman
Joined: 15 Nov 2008 Posts: 2
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Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:47 pm |
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yes cliff i agree!i love you and all but you do need to get out more!as for the borg queen time will tell!!!!
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lionhead Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 4020 Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)
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Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:07 am |
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Well, there are so many theories about that.
But appearently Picard destroying/killing the borg queen in First contact wasn't enough for her to completely dissappear. There are theories there are more then 1 queen, there are theories that her design and concious floats around in the borg hivemind(much like Skynet from the Terminator) and they simply reconstruct her when she is destroyed, there are theories that there are back-up waiting to be activated when the current active one dies. you pick one.
she claims was there at the battle of wolf 359 as well, probably destroyed then too.
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ilikefire208 Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 12 May 2006 Posts: 226 Location: kansas
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Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:19 am |
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ive done some research into the borg queen, and in fact like the last post her conscious is somewhat like that of skynet and is still with the collective, and the way her physical body comes back is that the borg literally birth a new queen like a beehive would allow a new queen to be born. so although she has died twice thus far in ST there is always a possiblity for her return due to the fact that if the borg survived, then her conscious survived, and therefor, the borg can build/birth a new queen
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Sara_Chakotay Ensign
Joined: 01 Jan 2009 Posts: 59 Location: Toronto Canada
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Thu Jan 01, 2009 8:00 pm |
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well she got her @$$ kicked I think she's dead
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deltaflyer3 Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 137
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Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:53 pm |
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this has already been done
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squiggy Stooge Two
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 3007 Location: Messing with the fabric of Video Game realities. I'll summon Shiva on you! I SWEAR!
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Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:25 am |
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Define "Dead".
Some would argue that she had been dead a long time ago, and that the being that Jean Luc & Janeway encountered was little more than the soul-less remains.
Some would argue that she had never been alive.
And some would argue that she could never die, provided there was at least one drone left in existence. It is a question of quite a philosophical nature, and I believe, the answer is not for us to know, just quite yet.
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Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 43 Location: michigan, bob
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Sat Feb 28, 2009 9:13 am Borg Queens |
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The one Data destroyed is an android. The one on Voyager had a nice top.
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subcom Sophomore Cadet
Joined: 27 Feb 2009 Posts: 13 Location: NY, USA
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Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:24 pm all hail the reigning queen! |
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The borg queen revealed herself to be from Species 125 in an episode of Voyager so there are definitely more like her around. Here�s a reasonable supposition based on the typical bee hive: the queen role was created when Species 125 was assimilated centuries or millennia ago because it demonstrated superior leadership abilities. One queen reigns at a time even though there may be more lesser queens around, just like in a beehive. if the reigning queen dies then a spare is brought out of the �toolbox� and connected to the collective consciousness to download all the previous queen�s knowledge and intentions. The new queen then takes her place at the head of the hive.
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deltaflyer3 Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 137
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 9:11 am |
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squiggy wrote: | Define "Dead".
Some would argue that she had been dead a long time ago, and that the being that Jean Luc & Janeway encountered was little more than the soul-less remains.
Some would argue that she had never been alive.
And some would argue that she could never die, provided there was at least one drone left in existence. It is a question of quite a philosophical nature, and I believe, the answer is not for us to know, just quite yet. |
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squiggy Stooge Two
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 3007 Location: Messing with the fabric of Video Game realities. I'll summon Shiva on you! I SWEAR!
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Sun Mar 01, 2009 12:30 pm |
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What can I say? As of late, I have a rather unique view on things. Especially in contrast to some of my previous points of view.
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Sev Junior Cadet
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Posts: 16 Location: Inside the Delta Flyer
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Curtis Fleet Admiral
Joined: 29 Sep 2001 Posts: 14903 Location: Wisconsin
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Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:05 pm |
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((Moved from deltaflyer3's locked topic and moved to the correct one - Curtis))
deltaflyer3 wrote: | Sorry having trouble finding the debate about the borg queen being dead or alive.
So if anyone trust that new star trek online game coming out, the Borg queen is NOT and i repeat NOT dead |
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Ntypical Lieutenant
Joined: 20 Oct 2007 Posts: 136 Location: North Carolina
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Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:59 am |
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ilikefire208 wrote: | ive done some research into the borg queen, and in fact like the last post her conscious is somewhat like that of skynet and is still with the collective, and the way her physical body comes back is that the borg literally birth a new queen like a beehive would allow a new queen to be born. so although she has died twice thus far in ST there is always a possiblity for her return due to the fact that if the borg survived, then her conscious survived, and therefor, the borg can build/birth a new queen |
Pretty much. I can't remember what book it was in, but she explained it as the queen is nothing more than a program that controls everything, when a body dies, the program takes over another body. Another book explained it pretty much the same way other than just building another body that looks the same.
But we all know books are not canon.
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deltaflyer3 Lieutenant
Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 137
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Mon May 04, 2009 6:50 pm |
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Curtis wrote: | ((Moved from deltaflyer3's locked topic and moved to the correct one - Curtis))
deltaflyer3 wrote: | Sorry having trouble finding the debate about the borg queen being dead or alive.
So if anyone trust that new star trek online game coming out, the Borg queen is NOT and i repeat NOT dead |
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thank you
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Curtis Fleet Admiral
Joined: 29 Sep 2001 Posts: 14903 Location: Wisconsin
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Mon May 04, 2009 11:26 pm |
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No prob...it's what I do, lol !
Anywho...I haven't heard much about that game coming out, just that its supposed to be quite good...but I agree with your opinion, I dont think she's dead...its just not possible.
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Janeway_kate Captain
Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Posts: 714 Location: In the snow
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Fri May 22, 2009 10:47 am |
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I doubt a broken spinal column would stop the Borg Queen.....She's still out there somewhere!! There is no getting rid of some hard core villains!
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blackoutthegreat Sophomore Cadet
Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Posts: 11
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Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:44 pm |
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If I recall corectly from somewhere it's a different Queen (they look rather familiar though).
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TrystanClarke91191 Senior Cadet
Joined: 15 Sep 2009 Posts: 20
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Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:28 am No |
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She was a clone in the first place
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Villordsutch Junior Cadet
Joined: 30 Aug 2009 Posts: 17
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Mon Sep 28, 2009 5:17 pm |
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From what I have read she is like a Bee (though in the case of the Borg more like a Wasp) one Queen dies another is activated.
However go with First Contact and the 3 Dimensions bit hints at time travel in my book.
In all honesty I do not see anyone in the near future confirming this unless JJA decides to one day do a ST:OS move with the Borg, now that he can as this universe history is to be written.
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