What was done with the future technology? |
Starfleet kept it and applied it to all new ships |
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Starfleet kept it, but only study it, don't use it |
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S31 kept it and are prepared to unleash it if needed |
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They immediatly destroyed it, not wanting to pollute the timeline |
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Other |
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lionhead Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 4020 Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)
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Sat Aug 05, 2006 4:18 am |
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Voyager2004 wrote: | lionhead wrote: | but they are scared of it becasue events changed could destroy the timeline so much that a dimesnion could be formed where the universe is lie a living hell. |
But a dimension wouldn't be formed. They are afraid of the events in THEIR timeline being changed. Not that of another timeline (aka, alternate dimension). They don't want THEIR timeline altered. Now, yes, with every small decision made by every individual in the universe, it branches off into alternate realities where the same person in a different reality made the opposite decision and such. And it just branches off infinitily changing everything about that alternate reality's universe.
But the Federation isn't worried about that. They're worried about keeping THEIR timeline in tact. The ONE and ONLY that we've been watching (with the exception of the couple of mirror universe episodes...but that's different. Just episode ideas and plot fillers...)
Quote: | It could be so that the Enterprise went back into the future without knowing that they where actually travelling towards another dimension, a dimension where the events of ENT happened.... Or did they?
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I'm all for reading into Star Trek, but that's just reading too far. Everything we've seen on Trek thus far, from TOS to Voyager, and then back around to Enterprise, all takes place in ONE reality. One timeline... It's just easier that way. Otherwise you have to think about what reality did this, and what dimension did that. Trek has a hard enough time keeping the timeline true to itself, let alone different realities, and whether or not a ship and crew returned to the proper reality. It's best assumed that the crew always returns to the SAME reality, but with a changed/different FUTURE timeline, which is still in the works of being created because it's not completely clear or written out... |
There is even a whole lot more to it then what we both said together.
Sure, the Federation is worried about keeping THEIR timeline in tact, but once you reach another dimension, you are in THEIR timeline all the same becasue they didn't time travel.
The events in First Contact made a Different dimension if you like it or not. The "original" timeline is the one without any timetravelling, well, they timetravelled twice in that movie so already 2 dimensions where formed(one of them you see when the Enterprise is caught in the vortex and sees earth controlled by the borg, Second one is when the crew get back which is the universe where multiple events in ENT did take palce becasue of the Borgs attempt to sabotage First Contact, perhaps even the Xindi). The crew of Enterprise must have been in the "original" timeline before travelling back in time going after the borg or else when they got back they must have travelled the dimensions, since they get back to the same place as before. If the last thing is true that means the same dimensions keep on existing, which means Star Trek is a Multiverse.
I love this, there are so many things you eed to stay aware of.
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StarfleetCommand74656 Captain
Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 653 Location: On STV
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Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:32 pm |
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I reckon the S'fleet thinktank mentioned in 'Spirit Walk' got it. There are two converse goals here: analysing the future tech and seeing how useful it is, and preserving the timeline- this stuff was invented in 26 years! But if the Borg turned up or something, they'd dust it off
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 11214 Location: Vulcan Capital City, Vulcan
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Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:04 pm |
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lionhead wrote: |
Star Trek is a Multiverse.
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Of course, this is due for the fact that for ever option, there is a universe where all decisions/options are played out. Destroy the borg cube, or disable it? two choices, two universe stem from that option,
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:36 pm |
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I don't think Star Trek is a multiverse. While they do have many universes, those universes were not created as a result of decisions made in "our" timeline. They simply exist alongside of "our" universe.
As for the future technology, I still don't think Starfleet applied it to the ships. VOY already established the technology, some of it at least, was not applicable to their ships of that era. Not to mention, the repucussions of arming the ships that early are going to be bad.
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lionhead Rear Admiral
Joined: 26 May 2004 Posts: 4020 Location: The Delta Quadrant (or not...)
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Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:38 pm |
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A multiverse doesn't neccesarily mean the universe where all created as a result of decisions made in "Our" Timeline.
a multiverse just are an Endless number of Universe who all have from a slight thing to a huge thing different from eachother. I think thats called an "Open Multiverse"
As i recall and episodes of TNG where multiple Enterprises from different dimension appeared in one Dimension(the one we are following on TV sorta speak) All enterprises where different from eachother, some where totally different(like being in war with the borg for years and picard dead at the same time), others slightly(like Riker still having no beard).
I'll try to find that episode.
Ah yes, it was the episdoe "Parallels":
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Parallels
They are talking about Quantum Realities there, seems as a Multiverse to me.
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deltaflyer3 Lieutenant
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i think they studied it, applied some of it to new ships, but mostly kept voyager special
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Curtis Fleet Admiral
Joined: 29 Sep 2001 Posts: 14903 Location: Wisconsin
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:06 am |
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I agree. Starfleet probably kept the technology and applied it to all new ships, cuz i dont think it would pollute the timeline, it would prolly remain the same, just happen a lot sooner or sumthing.
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calvin Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 78 Location: SoCal
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Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:00 pm |
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grandfather paradoxes are generally seen as not logically kosher. so regardless of whether you think the federation kept the future technology, it couldn't have been invented by time travel.
it's like lifting yourself up from your shoelaces. it violates the basic laws of causality which underpin our universe.
also, traveling back in time always creates temporal paradoxes. so far the only way to resolve them is to imagine that there are multiple parallel universes that branch off of one another. regardless of what "created" these parallel dimensions, they simply have to exist if you travel back in time--otherwise you're still dealing with another variation of the grandfather paradox.
personally, i probably wouldn't say that the action/decision to travel back in time "creates" alternate universes. i think the multiverse can be better described as a sea of parallel universes encompassing every possible reality. where different actions are taken, or choices are made, are where these parallel universes branch off of each other. so the act of traveling back in time, like all other decisions, can be seen as a "nexus" between different realities/universes.
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RobertBeltranFAN Ensign
Joined: 26 Aug 2008 Posts: 58
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Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:20 pm |
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I think they let Star Fleet study it and apply it to all ships.
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