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sportguy301 Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 19 Aug 2007 Posts: 30
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Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:11 pm getting home |
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how many times has Janeway given up the chance to get back home in order to uphold Strarfleet principals the ones I can remember off hand are
caretaker array
not negotiatig with the borg regarding unimatrix zero
i know there are more i just cant think of them thanks for all ya'll's help(yes I am from the south!!!!)
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Captain Digness Commander
Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Posts: 418
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too many. the encounter with the ferengi (sort of) and the first part of engame
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robbiewebster Rear Admiral
Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 2594 Location: Rochester, New York
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If she didn't give up the chance to go home so many times we wouldn't have had such a long running series.
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Aryeh Ensign
Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 57 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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robbiewebster wrote: | If she didn't give up the chance to go home so many times we wouldn't have had such a long running series. |
You are right, but what sportguy301 means is, I think, how many times it was a bad story line; such as the one with the Ferengi - she had an open wormhole to the alpha Q, the Ferengi got through but Voyager didn't - now that is, in my opinion, a bad story line .
However when she give up a chance by upholding to her principles, like when Q bribed her, then that is noble and makes for a great drama.
After all, if we give up the priciples that make us and our lives what we are, we might aswell be ...
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Voyager2004 Commodore
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2070 Location: Silverdale, WA
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Aryeh wrote: | robbiewebster wrote: | If she didn't give up the chance to go home so many times we wouldn't have had such a long running series. |
how many times it was a bad story line; such as the one with the Ferengi - she had an open wormhole to the alpha Q, the Ferengi got through but Voyager didn't - now that is, in my opinion, a bad story line |
It wasn't a bad story line. It concluded an episode that was left open by TNG, and on top of that, it wasn't just an "open" wormhole. Wormholes have two ends to them. The end of the wormhole in the AQ was stable, and by some fluke or something, the other end of the wormhole was not. Such as the end of the wormhole in the DQ.
So it wasn't a bad storyline. It was a story based off of something already established on TNG, merely closing an open ended plot.
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Aryeh Ensign
Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 57 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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[quote="Voyager2004]So it wasn't a bad storyline. It was a story based off of something already established on TNG, merely closing an open ended plot.[/quote]
Yes, I knew all that, of course, it was a good story and I was very happy that they used the plot from TNG, up to the point where they lost the wormhole, it looked so incompetent that I felt it was not organic and a bad story line (at list for me).
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Voyager2004 Commodore
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 2070 Location: Silverdale, WA
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Aryeh wrote: | Yes, I knew all that, of course, it was a good story and I was very happy that they used the plot from TNG, up to the point where they lost the wormhole, it looked so incompetent that I felt it was not organic and a bad story line (at list for me). |
Ahh...I see. Eh, to each their own, right? lol
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lifeguide Lieutenant, Junior Grade
Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 132 Location: AUSTRALIA
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I seem to remember an episode where the planets inhabitants had a space facility which they used to explore and which could fling you thousands of light years but they did not allow outsiders to use it (I know of the catapult in Voyager Conspiract but this was a very early episode).
Obviously some of the crew felt they should use it and I feel Tuvok or someone actually defied Janeway's orders to accept the technology in exchange for a replicator or something. Being an early episode, I can not remember the name of it.
She also dismissed using the slipstream drive for short bursts on a regular basis.
I am also a little confused as to the Hirogens relay network.
If the network led to the outer reaches of the alpha quadrant did Janeway set a course along the network and set a course home that way or did she deviate from the network.
I find it hard to believe that some of the hostile species they met after thier encounter with the Hirogen would of allowed the Hirogen to access the network without a fight, that is if thier space was along the networks length .
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Founder Dominion Leader
Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 12755 Location: Gamma Quadrant
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There are too many times to list. I think one episode had Q offering to bring them home in exchange for something as well. There is also that botched Warp 10 experiment. Many, many more.
Quote: | I am also a little confused as to the Hirogens relay network.
If the network led to the outer reaches of the alpha quadrant did Janeway set a course along the network and set a course home that way or did she deviate from the network.
I find it hard to believe that some of the hostile species they met after thier encounter with the Hirogen would of allowed the Hirogen to access the network without a fight, that is if thier space was along the networks length . |
I'm unsure of what you're saying, but I'll try and answer to the best of my ability.
The Hirogen don't really own any space according to the show. They are heavily nomadic and simply run around hunting other species.
As for the network itself, is a large array of stations that stretched out. According to the picture here, it looks a bit spread out.
If you're asking why did VOY not simply jump from array to array and avoid going into the space of potentially hostile aliens, I think the most obvious reply would be they would face constant attacks by the Hirogen.
I can't understand if you're asking that or why hostile aliens allowed the Hirogen to access the network. If it is the latter, then that makes no sense.
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Manitou Ensign, Junior Grade
Joined: 17 Sep 2007 Posts: 43 Location: michigan, bob
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Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:50 am Janeway can't go home |
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It must be totally ingrained in Janeway's character. Even the Janeway that was a copy of Janeway from the "Demon Planet' had to do the same thing. When they found a class-Y planet that they might call home the crew wanted to shoot their way down to the surface but Janeway chickened out and turned the crew back to the Alpha Quadrant course. Course Oblivion.
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Kathryn_Janeway218 Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 252 Location: Battlestar Arc Angel (CO)
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THE BORG ARE *beep*!!! THEY SHOULD HAVE THE SERIES RUN FOR THE OTHER 16 YEARS!!!
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