DS9 is better than voyager

Spartan 688 · Ensign Joined: 11 Nov 2007 Posts: 57

im a Niner always have been my friend likes voy and we have many arguments about which is better they are both goood for there respective reasons they both were totaly new star trek as in voy was stuck in the delta quadrant and ds9 was on a space station. but it is one of those arguments that probaly will never end

Drone1238 · Sophomore Cadet Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 13

I think DS9 deals more with issues of good vs. evil in a religios context. While Voyager retains the exploration aspect of TOS and TNG.

Syzygy · **Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:27 pm**

Both shows had some truly phenomenal episodes, but, IMHO, Voyager had more bombs than DS9. The scripts were simply not as consistently great as DS9.

There are probably at least half a dozen episodes of Voyager I'd like to rewrite or scrap (while there are still many that are pure gold, however).

Kathryn_Janeway218 · **Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:58 pm**

I think VOY is the best series out of all of them. If you didn't notice the website is startrekVOYAGER.com

Valathous · **Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:32 pm**

Morphy does own the rights to startrekds9.com, too. If you type that in, it redirects you here. I know the creator of the site, Morphy, prefers DS9 so chances are he called it startrekvoyager.com because at the time it was the newest series. Just a guess based on what I know,

Personally, I prefer DS9 but I love Voyager, too. Still think Chakotay should have thrown Janeway out an airlock, though.

DS9 had much more complex storylines and showed us the doom and gloom that would likely occur in a time with interstellar instability between various species. It's not all sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows like Voyager and their ever so happy family.

Sara_Chakotay · **Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:50 am**

Voyager all the way the idea of not having Starfleet there is almost inspiring

Intrepid Class · **Fri May 08, 2009 6:03 pm**

I think DS9 was boring,I like to see ship battles,phasers etc and there wasn't much of that on DS9.

So I like voyager alot more.

Valathous · **Sat May 09, 2009 11:56 pm**

deltaflyer3 · Lieutenant Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 137

no no no no no no no no no no no no
NO!!!
Voyager rules!

deltaflyer3 · Lieutenant Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 137

Founder

Mansfeld

I believe that Voyager is better dan DS9 although I havn't seen al seasons yet of Voyager.

TNG is certainly better than DS9. And I believe that it also wil stay better than Voyager.

milan · **Sat Jun 06, 2009 4:54 am**

The existence of this topic proves that you all feel threatened by Voyager's popularity. Why isn't there a thread on Voyager called "Voyager is better than this or that Star Trek series?" Because Voyager fans don't feel they should defend their favourite series. I myself like Voyager best, but I also like all Star Trek series, and I don't feel as though I have to look down upon other series to achieve some catharsis while watching my own favourite.
I liked Voyager more than DS9 because I think the characters are simply better, there are many Borg episodes which I always like, and the idea of that almost endless journey through the unknown resembles what life is all about.

blackoutthegreat · Sophomore Cadet Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Posts: 11

Overall I would easily choose Voyager, but the domnion war and some other things make DS9 good. (just so you know I have watched every episode of Voyager but only the first season and some scattered episode of DS9) The dominion definetly did something Star Trek usually doesn't do by showing that you can't just expect to talk and be done with a fight

Cosiris · **Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:39 pm DS9 vs Voyager?**

DS9 and Voyager is kind of like Kirk and Spock, two entirely different personalities. They cannot be compared effectively and should not be. Ds9 was all about standing still and dealing with what comes to you while Voyager is about what you encounter on your way to your destination.

Cange · Lieutenant Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 148

DS9 all the way dude

pretty much all DS9 episode are good,altought i tend to agree with someon who said that the begginning of the series wasnt true exiting with the anoying bajoran but when the series get it on its just goes better and better,
it has it all,

while Voyager tend to anoy me off sometime,
SUPER JANEWAY and her Super scientific ship takin over the Delta quandrant,i mean comon is there something she didnt do?nha Voyager was too much for me,and im not talking about this anoying thing called Neelix,god i was soo happy when Q jr shut his mouth.

DS9 had a good cast,complexe plot,good and balanced war,great lines,a moment for every character awsome and pretty original enemy,great drama,a punch that will turn you upside down.

Voyager had a sexy Drone and Species 8472 thats it as for the rest you all know Janeway gonna do some miracle and get some miracle way to win.

milan · **Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:29 am**

Oh, and since we're on the topic of "SuperJaneway", let's not forget "Iron Man" Chakotay, "Catwoman" B'elanna, "Professor X" Tuvok, "Tomb Raider" Seven, "Wolverine" Neelix, "Robin the sidekick" Harry and Captain Proton himself! And after we made a clean sweep of levelling them all down to cartoon characters let's gloat how much better our own favourite series is. Yeey!

Cange · Lieutenant Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 148

lol the only reason ppl love voayger so much its because the borg is in alot of episode other then that i say it again the sexy drone and species 8472

milan · **Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:23 pm**

Hmm, let's see: Tom Paris - the coolest flyboy around, gets me every time with the badass exterior and decent inside, kinda what many people would like to be. Excellent. Chak - solid, true, like a pillar upholding a statue, I've always liked the quiet strength he emanated. B'el - the kind of girl who has the fire inside and keeps dousing it to actually be able to have a social life. Wild child though, very dear to me. Tuvok - in tough situations I actually quite often got his image in my head, trying to sort out things in a logical way. But the show also puts the cherry on the cake, letting us see what's under the calm sea too. Well rounded character. Neelix - a lot of people don't like him because of his looks. But many more people could learn a thing or two about tolerance and passionate caring for all life from his character. Harry - his friendship with Tom brings everything close to me: yea me and some of my friends are quite like those guys, thumbs up for the realistic and quite fun representation. Janeway - well she's a role model. It's why some people can't tolerate her, they are the "rebels against authority", quite understandable, I don't resent it. (Neelix taught me to be tolerant

) Seven - if you take the time to look beyond her obviously sexy appearance, you will see a very strong character. "Insufficient". "We will adapt". Laconic, isn't it? It's all she can say. But maybe we should take the time to see all the shades of meaning she can convey with those simple words. That woman is sometimes a cascade of emotions. It's easy to say much and convey little. It's oh so difficult to convey so much when you say so little. So much for the comic-book-like definition of "sexy drone".
Out of the top of my head, these are the first reasons that came to my mind first of why I like Voyager, I have hundreds more if you care to have some reading material.

For the record, I didn't like species 1234 after "Scorpion", where obviously they kicked ass. But I found them a poor copy of Aliens. Oh, and my favourite episodes from Voyager actually don't have any Borg in them.
Plus I like DS9 a lot too, and I don't feel as though I have to choose to hate one in order to like the other. That's such a football fan mentality.

Oh, did I mention I like football too?

Cange · Lieutenant Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 148

nha seriously the half of the crew you've mentionned arent that bad

yeah Tom Paris isnt to bad i liked him,far away from what i would like to be but still he was good

Chakotay wasnt that bad he should have been the captain in the series if you ask me.would have maded up for all the wrong thing Voyager maded
in the delta quadrant

bel is awfull seriously she remind me of women that is constantly in her periode cant stand that she is just a vulgare copy of Kira and she is a bad Klingon.

Tuvok wasnt bad either i liked him,deffenatly love him when he lost temper and killed Neelix in the holodeck.

Neelix: no way in hell you'll make me like this char,its like he escaped from a gay cruise.

Harry was bad either you cant feel any sympaty this guy remind me of a looser

Janeway,i cant stand her dont ask me why its like she just never wrong,always doin miracle and push it way to far like coming back from the futur to save one ship?? haaawww cmon,she did way too much.

7of9 is cute and yes she must be strong to be like that she brought some fresh air when she got into Voyager cast

some of the cast isnt too bad but the series overall is just bad i mean its so overated,no wonder the borg turned out to be *beep*'s after the series i mean Janeway did it all with her science ship.Voyager isnt a war ship yet she defeat the borg all by herself??? look at Skorpion episode Species 8472 ship could tear trought the hull of a borg ship like a hot knife in butter with one shot,yet they shoot a voyager and they cant even get trought the shield??

and your right they messed up Species 8472 after Skorpion.

milan · **Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:03 am**

Ok, I see you belong to the "parallel universe" guys who I've been talking to in here. Read the thread of "Janeway's worst command decision" if you care. I refuse to open any discussion on Voyager unless I know that they are thorough viewers and not some amateurs unloading their frustrations. The most elementary thing you have to know is that Voyager is a warship, not a science vessel. Read back on the previously mentioned thread and see the discussion on that.
Neelix shows emotions, caring, that's why you label him as gay, I completely understand the shallow judgment. Harry: yes, his character could be called a "loser", it's how it was constructed, to show there's nothing wrong with that, you're no outcast just because you don't steal, lie and cheat. To compare B'el with Kira? Now that is the mark of an amateur viewer. You narrow things down again to categorize so you can look down upon. If someone can only see "bad girl turned good" in these quite complex and constantly evolving characters, I'm not sure why he begins a discussion on them at all.
And in Janeway you can't stand that she's never wrong, that also shows your superficial knowledge of the show. In fact she has been wrong on many occasions, and some of the episodes are based on her seeing that error and trying to correct it (see the part when the doctor's memory was erased by her).
For the record, I think she's portrayed as no better or more intelligent or "right all the time" than Picard or Sisko. It's just that many people find these traits questionable in a woman. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a womanizer, I like blonde jokes as much as the next man, I just think in Janeway's character they did a good job.

Valathous · **Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:34 am**

If you were including me in that list of apparent "parallel universe guys" with no knowledge of Voyager, let me point out that I've seen every episode at least twice, most of them more,

Voyager is not a warship. That was proven. Just because a guy with a Desert Eagle is sitting in a row-boat that says "US Navy" on it, doesn't make it a warship, either.

On the whole, I found Deep Space Nine to be far more entertaining. The plots were far more thought out. Voyager, for the most part, was stand-alone episodes as opposed to DS9 having a consistent, flowing plot. Janeway's mood swings were less than tolerable compared to Sisko being either pleasant or pissed depending on whichever the situation called for. Janeway cared far too much for the people she liked as opposed to everyone under her command whereas Sisko treated everyone the same with exception maybe to Dax on rare occasion.

Many people claimed that Voyager seemed much more like a family than the darker DS9, though I'd like to point out how little Janeway interacted with the senior staff while off-duty. The occasional dinner with Chakotay, or a giant social event with the entire crew in the mess hall. In DS9 you had Sisko and Jake with Kasidy Yates. You had Miles O'Brien with his family and even Kira getting involved. You had Worf and Jadzia with Worf's son Alexander. You had the Ferengi family. On top of all that, Sisko would have regular get-togethers with the senior staff in his quarters where he would cook. You had friendships in Voyager such as Tom and Harry, but they didn't compare to the bond between O'Brien and Bashir.

I found Voyager very repetitive. First contact gone awry, intruder boards the ship, holodeck episode, or Borg episode.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Voyager, but it isn't nearly as entertaining as DS9.

Cange · Lieutenant Joined: 30 Jul 2009 Posts: 148

ok lets say your right Voyager is a warship,that still doesnt explain *beep* i mean comon you aint gonna tell me that its the best ship that starfleet maded?i mean WTF a galaxy class (Enterprise-D) didnt managed to hurt a cube however Super Voyager can get in the delta quadrant and do as she like??i admit i might be hatin on Voyager but this show make no sense and dont tell me i dont know about the show ive been watching them all in row and i love to analyse stuff,i admit some episode were good but the show just take it too far,there is alot of stuff i dislike in this series.

here is a few thing

the entire Collective never managed to find a way to hurt species 8472 yet voyager happen to be arround and POOF they find a miracle solution like that?i tought the Borg was way beyond starfleet technology?

then again Species 8472 can tear any borg fleet even destroy planet with barely 10 ship and yet voyager happen to take shot from they'r ship and even manage to have they'r shield holding??

one time Voyager cant fight a small race yet another time they just anihilate some of the most powerfull ship,how did it happen?!?!?.

yet everybody want a piece of Voayger and in the end its always Janeway pulling something like alright you want it do what i want or ill destoy it.soo many time i wished that the personne she is talking to would just go like screw that thing i dont want it anymore ill just blow your ship

and you may be right about that tought,i dont like her attitude as
as a women its like she try to play tought.and your right she did wrong thing but its like nothing happen ooh i feel bad i feel bad yet she gonna do another bad thing in the next episode

i dont know there is something that didnt catch me about this show most of the race in the delta quadrant are rubish dont get me wrong some race were interesting (8472,Hirogen) but they just maded too much Borg were something to fear in the past yet after watchin voyager it feel like bha lets just negociate with them or go back in the past and wipe them out when they were created!? Species 8472 come in as the big bad guy yet they ends up being some scary ass ppl tryin to copy Starfleet!?!? why the hell would they bother invade earth!?!?cant they just blow it up like they did with the Borg?

milan · **Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:50 pm**

Well I see you state some problems that are general in Star Trek, but you just pin them on Voyager because you don't like that series. The Borg have always been beaten back, whatever the show, or movie. Picard has penetrated their cube too, he was turned into a Borg just like Janeway, of course there were differences, but good always won in the end, it's how it's suposed to be. Whether it was Picard, Janeway or anyone else. It's natural, too, what do you expect, the Borg take over and from then on the show will be called Star Trek Borg Space Unimatrix Nine?
I didn't say you didn't watch it, you just made the mistake that many people made: watched only to find mistakes and hate it.
The solution against species abcd was not a POOF, it was nicely explained.
I can't believe someone would actually be apalled that the spaceship the show gets its name from doesn't explode from a single blast. The show is about people, not about titanium bulkheads against alien space-beams. Saying you didn't like the show cuz Voyager could take a hit from species abracadabra is like saying I didn't like Hamlet, he had such a stupid hat!
Then again you write about hating Janeway with no arguments besides personal feelings which are not to be discussed, you don't like her, no problem, we all have characters we don't like. Plus previously you said she's so perfect and now after I point out she does bad things too you say yes, she does them over and over again. Stop contradicting yourself, man, and we'll take you more seriously.

You keep saying you've watched carefully, yet you ask why species soapbubbles can't blow up the Earth and annihilate humans. Well hello, humans were the race that produced the weapon that disabled the big badasses who thought they were invincible. That would get anyone thinking before they launched another assault, wouldn't it?
As for the races, that's personal opinion, it doesn't make the show better or worse. You like the numbered species, I like the Kazon, whatever. As for the many Borg episodes: since they were the most popular villains on Star Trek, I think it was natural that they started showing them. They give you what you want and you still are not satisfied. Now that's called being biased against something.

Founder · **Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:11 pm**

milan calls people that disagree on VOY "parallel universe" people. Riiiight. Yet, you think VOY is a warship. Who lives in a parellel universe here?

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Warship_Voyager

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/USS_Voyager

From the episode "Living Witness"...

"Voyager wasn't a warship! We were explorers!"
- The Doctor

He was saying this to the aliens that WRONGLY thought VOY was a warship. Would you just give it up on that already?

As for this topic, it's all a matter of what people prefer. VOY and DS9 were considered "different" Trek, although I don't understand why. The spirit of exploring what is unknown (Whether in the stars or in yourself) is explored heavily. I think VOY and DS9 are almost the brother and sister of different Trek.

Personally, I think DS9 is the superior show because it had closure, deeper characters, a more grounded look into the Star Trek universe, and had episodes that would literally move you (Visitor anyone?).

VOY wasn't bad, it just had a lot of mistakes and unused opportunities.