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squiggy
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 Thu May 03, 2007 9:46 am |
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Considering how many mods are on the other side of this one, I'm going to refrain from further comment on this subject. 
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Theresa
Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001
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Location: United States of America
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| Thu May 03, 2007 11:05 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | Theresa wrote: | We have plenty of "legals" here who need help. Discrimination is a HUGE problem for everyone. I find it an ignorant statement to say you can say an illegal immigrants version of poverty is any different than anyone elses, the hispanics don't hold the monopoly on discrimination, persecution, etc... IMO, no race, ethnicity does. I could talk about the treatment of my Irish great-grandparents, which if you know anything of history, was atrocious. (here, and in Ireland). Or the boatloads of Jews that escaped Hitler, only to be sent right back, the US wouldn't even let them disembark.
I had a feeling that people would take what I said wrong. I didn't mean that poverty in America is fun for all compared to other nations. But those in America in poverty have a hell of a lot more oppurtunities then those in poverty in many other nations, especially in Latin America. Also in Asia, Africa, parts of the Middle East, and eastern Europe. Many foreigners from those nations would fight to be poor in America. At least they have a chance, albeit a small one, to get out of poverty.
I didn't say Hispanics were the only race that was discriminated against. I'm not sure why that was even mentioned. RM made the comment that coming here and working for nothing and being exploited was a reward and they don't even deserve that much. I was telling him that discrimination is not a reward. Nowhere did I say that Hispanics are the only race to be discriminated against.
Maybe for some, the word "illegals" de-humanizes the people and their plight, but making such a broad statement is stereotyping. Being poor in America isn't such a wonderful thing. Compare it to what you will, but take a look around, and you will see some incredibly bad living conditions for Americans. I'm sure you can again make the broad statement that it's worse being poor here, and here, but that doesn't make the statement valid.
I never said anything about poverty in America being wonderful or happy or anything else. Poverty is poverty, no matter where you go. Although, I could argue that those in foreign nations would love the version of poverty in America. The difference in poverty in America and other third world nations is that America has a million more oppurtunities to get out of poverty, if not for yourself, then for your children. In most of Latin America, that concept does not even exist. There are no reforms, in most of the countries at least, that helps the poor. Despite the claims by the leftists that they are for the poor and all this other garbage. In some of these countries, if you're born poor, you die poor. In addition to that, your children inherit your "legacy". That's what most, I'll admit not all, are trying to escape. They're trying to break this cycle of povery that plagued their families for generations.
In some other countries though, they're trying to escape religious persecution, political persecution, etc. I'm sure it's different everywhere and maybe similiar in some locations.
I'm all for helping anyone who needs it. If you get here illegally, you shouldn't automatically be deported, no. That's something that definitely warrants a case by case determination, but you also shouldn't be allowed to stay just because life here is easier for you.
I'm sure I'll be told my opinion is all wrong, but I guess that's one of the dangers of posting in WN,  |
I was thinking the same thing about a case by case type of decision. While that may take forever, that seems like the only fair way to do it. While the decision is being weighed, the U.S. can work on ways to fix the immigration process. However, that does not mean I want really loose immigration laws, as I'm sure there are those out there that I think I do. A part of the reason our immigration laws became so strict was because of 9/11, at least, I think it is. We should still have very strict backround checks for people, but not backround checks that take like 8 years to complete.
I wish we had someone at this site that knew the immigration laws of the U.S. in a detailed manner. We'd probably be able to find the source of the problem if we did. If there is a problem with the immigrations laws. If there isn't, then there is obviously another problem.
BTW, I don't give a free pass to all illegals. Just like I know it isn't as simple as they're criminals and hate America's laws, I also know it isn't as simple as they all love America and want work. Some really are criminals(gang members or drug sellers). Some don't even bother with immigration laws because they were taught it's simply easier to get here illegally. It's very convoluted on both sides. |
I wasn't actually addressing any post personally, just the topic at hand. I mentioned hispanics because nine times out of ten that's who you'll see on the media. In this area, anyway. And also that's who you see IRL, when we go to Boston, NY, etc...
Squiggy, feel free to post. No mod or admin can admonish you for your opinion.
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