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WeAz
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 Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:55 pm Senate defies Bush on stem cells |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6547259.stm
| Quote: | The US Senate has voted to ease restrictions on using federal funds for stem-cell research, defying the threat of a veto by President George W Bush.
The Democrat-controlled Senate passed the vote with a majority of 63 to 24 - just short of the two-thirds required to override a presidential veto. |
I'm glad some Republicans are getting out of religious dogma, and doing the humane thing.
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TrekkieMage
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| Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:59 pm |
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Good for the Senate!
Unfortunetly, it will probably be vetoed. Hopefully the American public will be outraged enough that Congress will get the message that their constituants and scientific advancement are more important that Bush's personal ideals.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:27 pm |
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Watch as Bush vetoes it and the Dems can't get enough votes to override it!
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TrekkieMage
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| Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:29 pm |
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We'll see. I doubt a veto will do Bush any good. Most American's are for stem cell research.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:30 pm |
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| TrekkieMage wrote: | | We'll see. I doubt a veto will do Bush any good. Most American's are for stem cell research. |
Yes, but not for embryonic stem cell research. I'm for stem cell research, as is the President - just not embryonic stem cell research.
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WeAz
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| Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:15 pm |
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I have faith that popular opinion will override religious dogma. And RM how do you know they aren't for embryonic research? When you hear about Stem Cells, you assume they are embryonic.
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Puck
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| Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:40 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | When you hear about Stem Cells, you assume they are embryonic. |
Except for when you hear about advancements and breakthroughs...then you know they are talking about something other than embryonic cells.
When religious dogma (I just wanted to use the word dogma again) preserves life, I think it's a good think, but I guess that's just silly. Thank goodness Bush will veto this disgusting bill.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:44 pm |
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| WeAz wrote: | | I have faith that popular opinion will override religious dogma. And RM how do you know they aren't for embryonic research? When you hear about Stem Cells, you assume they are embryonic. |
I don't, and the burden of proof is on you to prove that assumption to me.
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WeAz
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| Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:07 pm |
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Except for when you hear about advancements and breakthroughs...then you know they are talking about something other than embryonic cells. |
Because the Bush Regime has taken away the largest source of funding for this research.
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I don't, and the burden of proof is on you to prove that assumption to me. |
Assume is the wrong word. Its most likely that they are talking about embryonic stem cells.
| Quote: | | Yes, but not for embryonic stem cell research. I'm for stem cell research, as is the President - just not embryonic stem cell research. |
You say that most Americans don't support embryonic research. Prove it.
| Quote: | | Thank goodness Bush will veto this disgusting bill. |
Thank goodness he and his party will be gone in two years, so we can move away from religious law, and towards scientific progress.
| Quote: | | When religious dogma (I just wanted to use the word dogma again) preserves life |
Show me that its life. Do they eat, do they breathe, do they think, do they reproduce? There is no indication of life.
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| Quote: | Previous studies have suggested that stem-cell therapies offer huge potential to treat a variety of diseases such as Alzheimer�s, Parkinson�s and motor neuron disease. A study by British scientists in November also reported that stem-cell injections could repair organ damage in heart attack victims.
But research using the most versatile kind of stem cells � those acquired from human embryos � is currently opposed by powerful critics, including President Bush. |
From the article I just posted.
Yes, adult stem-cells are useful. I'm not saying they aren't. What I am saying is that there is so much more potential in embryonic stem cells. Especially since there are now ways to use embryonic stem cells without destroying the embryo.
If this is what we're doing with research being slowed down, imagine what will happen if we actually start helping it rather than hinder it.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:54 pm |
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If there was sooo much potential in it, why isn't there more venture capital?
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WeAz
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| Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:38 pm |
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Its expensive, and its not likely to show anything profitable for a while.
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:25 pm |
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In a capitalistic system such as ours, if something's got promise, whether it be in the scientific field or otherwise, it tends to get some real venture capital attached to it, and so far that hasn't happened. Saying "it's expensive" isn't a good enough reason for it. The real reason for the lack of venture capital is that it doesn't hold much promise.
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TrekkieMage
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| Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:41 pm |
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[url] The real reason for the lack of venture capital is that it doesn't hold much promise.[/url]
Find me proof. Everything I've read has said that embryonic cells have more potential.
Also, in a capitalistic society, people want to pay as little as possible. By choosing to work on adult stem cells, you can get more funding. By choosing embryonic cells (thanks to our wonderful government) you don't get much funding.
A lot of major scientific research is done at colleges and universities - and they rely mostly on public funding. Government cuts off funding, and the research slows way down.
Oh, yes, you can still get to the "Presidential" stem cells, but 1. they're messed up due to the fact that they were among the first lines cultured and 2. you do have to pay for them. And you have to pay much more than universities have and more than those particular cultures are worth to the scientific community.
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