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		| WeAz Commodore
 
 
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				|  Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:52 pm    Iraqi Shias protest in holy city |  
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				|  	  | Quote: |  	  | Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Shias have demonstrated in the holy city of Najaf, calling for US-led troops to leave Iraq. 
 The protesters were responding to an appeal by cleric Moqtada Sadr, who branded US forces "your arch enemy" in a statement.
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 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6537861.stm
 
 
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		| Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
 
  
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				|  Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:40 pm |  
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				| If the Shi'ites really wanted us to leave they would quit the fighting, cooperate with the US to get things going smoothly, and work with the Sunnis to make the government situation stable and worth success. They appear to not want that, however. 
 
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		| Kyle Reese Cadet Gunnery Sergeant
 
  
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				|  Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:41 pm |  
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				| Sadr wasn't planning to go along with the surge anyway. He just didn't want a direct confrontation when the US entered Sadr City because he'd lose right out and he needed time to haul his sorry ass to Iran. I knew this was coming. 
 
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		| WeAz Commodore
 
 
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				|  Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:28 pm |  
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				| These groups hold a 2000 year old grudge. They aren't going to work together anytime soon. 
 
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		| Link, the Hero of Time Vice Admiral
 
  
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				|  Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:55 am |  
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				|  	  | Republican_Man wrote: |  	  | If the Shi'ites really wanted us to leave they would quit the fighting, cooperate with the US to get things going smoothly, and work with the Sunnis to make the government situation stable and worth success. They appear to not want that, however. | 
 
 So you want a people who have been at odds with each other for years to the point where it is now a blood feud to just sit down and reconsile their differences?
 
 It's not going to happen.  Get out of there, let them have their civil war then try to help them pick up the pieces.
 
 
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		| Kyle Reese Cadet Gunnery Sergeant
 
  
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				|  Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:11 pm |  
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				| ...And yet everyone keeps telling us "Stop the violence! Let's negotiate!" Guess it doesn't apply to anyone else? 
 What happened to "NO WAR!"?
 
 
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		| Founder Dominion Leader
 
  
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				|  Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:34 pm |  
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				| Wow, one of the few times they did something peaceful. Instead of leading that army to kill people, they did the democratic thing and protested. I'm impressed. 
 
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		| Arellia The Quiet One
 
  
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				|  Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:39 pm |  
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				|  	  | Kyle Reese wrote: |  	  | ...And yet everyone keeps telling us "Stop the violence! Let's negotiate!" Guess it doesn't apply to anyone else? 
 What happened to "NO WAR!"?
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 War is occasionally necessary to force change. War is unnecessary when the war is not ours to fight. We should stop sending our men in, but the Iraqis may need a war for themselves. Be nice if they didn't, but I don't see that happening.
 
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		| Kyle Reese Cadet Gunnery Sergeant
 
  
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				|  Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:55 pm |  
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				|  	  | Arellia wrote: |  	  | War is occasionally necessary to force change. War is unnecessary when the war is not ours to fight. | 
 
 Well I'm glad you see that war is necessary sometimes. Now we only disagree about whether or not we should be fighting it. Simplifies things nicely.
  Even though my message wasn't specifically directed at you. 
 And yeah, at least they're protesting by screaming their larynges apart instead of ripping each other apart.
 
 
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