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Omok
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| PrankishSmart wrote: | | The idea that troops would feel proud dying for the war is the most ridiculous I have ever heard. They are not dying for their country, they are dying for the Iraq war by fault of their own government that doesn't know what their doing. |
Nay.
American troops die for a commitment made to a set of ideals, not for one idea alone.
Politicians tend to warp that commitment into an immediate 'need' while most US soldiers see it as an undying set of morals.
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charlie
American Soldier
Joined: 26 Feb 2004
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Location: In The United States
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| Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:18 am |
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Prankishsmart wrote
| Quote: | | The idea that troops would feel proud dying for the war is the most ridiculous I have ever heard. They are not dying for their country, they are dying for the Iraq war by fault of their own government that doesn't know what their doing. |
For being an retired army sergeant, I would gladly go back to Iraq if I had to. I am proud to be an American to fight a good cause. I wish I had more time these days to get into this discussion. Deb hogs the computer.  or either I am at work mostly.
I know people are saying that we don't need this war, but how do they really know unless they was over there themselves like I was? I know there might be a come back saying I might not be telling the truth. I know before Deb told something similar happened when she saying I was over there. I am an honest person. 
Other countries wouldn't step in to help Iraq except Blair and Unites States... if I left out a country then sorry. Yes, we needed to get Saddam out of power and teach the Iraqis how to defend their own country. Should the troops be still in Iraq? Iraq will be a long process.... Though I would love the troops to come home. I am not saying that they shouldn't come home. I know Deb misses her couisn so I say maybe let stay over there maybe a year or two and get out. Let the Iraqis handle and see how they can handle it.
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Leo Wyatt
Sweetest Angel
Joined: 25 Feb 2004
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Location: Investigating A Crime Scene. What did Quark do this time?
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| Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:12 am |
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charlie wrote
| Quote: | know there might be a come back saying I might not be telling the truth. I know before Deb told something similar happened when she saying I was over there. I am an honest person.
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I said that but it wasn't on this forum. lol Charlie I said that on another forum... U might have thought I said it here. But yes other people did accuse you. but not on stv... not intentionally anyway.
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PrankishSmart
Rear Admiral
Joined: 29 Apr 2002
Posts: 4779
Location: Hobart, Australia.
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| Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:41 am |
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| charlie wrote: |
I know people are saying that we don't need this war, but how do they really know unless they was over there themselves like I was? I know there might be a come back saying I might not be telling the truth. |
Perhaps you would like to expand that? Your blanket statement means nothing at all. Tell us why exactly we DO need this war? Your government making the decisions also has not been over there to experience this for themselves and know what it was like, therefore by that very logic their reasoning is invalid?
I'm not saying your not telling the truth, I just wish there was more information provided than a simple sentence such as 'I know we are doing the right thing'!?!?
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Arellia
The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Location: Dallas, TX
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| Republican_Man wrote: | I'll be posting a far more detailed counterargument to everything said here tomorrow, but I had to reply to this:
| PrankishSmart wrote: | | The idea that troops would feel proud dying for the war is the most ridiculous I have ever heard. They are not dying for their country, they are dying for the Iraq war by fault of their own government that doesn't know what their doing. |
If that's the case, then why I have I heard testimony from numerous soldier-parents that their deceased kids would have been proud dying for the cause, and that if they were to die yet haven't they would be? Clear contradiction to your argument, which is entirely baseless as well, and far to generalized.
Furthermore, the idea that the government "doesn't know what their doing" is purely up to interpretation. I agree with that when it comes to the Congress, but not the president because his and General Petreaus's strategy have worked fantastically since they went into effect, including the surge.
More to come tomorrow. |
And have you attended parties with the best-trained infantry unit in the 101st airborne? Not a single one of those guys, some of which have gone twice, believe in this war, or would be "proud" dying for it. They would be proud to die for their country. Not this war that has no reason, or connection to them. They go for their friends, so they won't die for the ineptness of the government. They go because someone has to. They don't go because they agree with this war. They don't go with a pride for their job. It's a job that they do. That's all. A "clear contradiciton to your argument." I know some soldiers might think differently... but I haven't met any. Even my own cousin came back and won't re-enlist. He did anything to stay out of Iraq, because he doesn't believe anyone else should die for it. His best friend did.
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PrankishSmart
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Location: Hobart, Australia.
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^I have no doubt many sugarcoat what is happening over there, though, if RM's testimonials are from actual soldiers.
I have some footage on my comp that would change the minds of many. It's no wonder why so many soldiers go insane after they return home from their campaign.
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