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Puck
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 Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:16 pm Iran �to try Britons for espionage� |
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| Quote: | FIFTEEN British sailors and marines arrested by Iran�s Revolutionary Guards off the coast of Iraq may be charged with spying.
A website run by associates of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, reported last night that the Britons would be put before a court and indicted.
Referring to them as �insurgents�, the site concluded: �If it is proven that they deliberately entered Iranian territory, they will be charged with espionage. If that is proven, they can expect a very serious penalty since according to Iranian law, espionage is one of the most serious offences.� |
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article1563877.ece
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WeAz
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| Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:45 pm |
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This is frightning. It could lead to open war between the UK and Iran. And I'd be surprised if the US didn't get involved.
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CJ Cregg
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| Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:27 am |
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Damn Iran! Damn them! This is F******* stupid! 
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Puck
The Texan
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| Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:26 pm |
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Hopefully Blair stands up to them.
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CJ Cregg
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Mulder
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| Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:24 pm |
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IF they are spies they should be prosecuted
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Jeff Miller
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| Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:57 pm |
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It would be wise of the US not to get involved considering how streched they are with the Conflicts Iraq and Afganistan (SP). For them to enter this conflict would be to stressing on our already streched Defenses
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Mulder
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| Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:07 pm |
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| Jeff Miller wrote: | | It would be wise of the US not to get involved considering how streched they are with the Conflicts Iraq and Afganistan (SP). For them to enter this conflict would be to stressing on our already streched Defenses |
I agree because Iran has nukes
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Arellia
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| Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:25 pm |
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| Mulder wrote: | | IF they are spies they should be prosecuted |
Why? I don't care if they were spies... Iran's been acting terrible. There's good reason to be spying (although I'm not farmiliar with the story and can't give an opinion to whether they are). Britain hasn't threatened the western world and a second holocaust. Iran has.
But I also agree on the U.S. getting involved. Not because of nukes... I don't forsee a nuclear war in the future, it's highly unlikely. Besides. In an all-out war we'd win. No question. Problem is we're in military positions right now that we shouldn't be in, and it's true that currently we're too tied up. Bush knows, I'm sure, that if he starts another war the Republicans have no chance in '08 anyway. I don't think he's that stupid.
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WeAz
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| Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:36 pm |
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If Britain goes to war, we will too. After all the help they gave, it would be viewed as backstabbing.
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:40 pm |
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I think that, with this latest incident, there's more potential for a multilateral front against Iran now than ever before (which isn't saying much). In essence I think that it's more possible now that more than a few countries would go up against Iran and that a war with Iran would go quite differently from Iraq, considering that and the fact that the US couldn't remain there to establish a stable government. If there were a multinational effort then I'd expect we might be more inclined to go to war and the public might be behind it.
However, I don't think this is that likely, considering the track records of the nations that would be involved. I thought it was great that the Insecurity Council voted unanimously to impose sanctions, but I don't expect much more than that, though the possibility is now better than ever before.
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Founder
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| Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:40 am |
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Iran: Britain must admit navy trespassed
| Quote: | Iran's foreign minister said Wednesday that Britain must admit that its 15 sailors and marines entered Iranian waters in order to resolve a standoff over their capture by the Mideast nation.
Manouchehr Mottaki's statement in an interview with The Associated Press came on a day of escalating tensions, highlighted by an Iranian video of the detained Britons that showed the only woman captive saying her group had "trespassed" in Iranian waters. Britain angrily denounced the video as unacceptable and froze most dealings with the Mideast nation.
The Iranian official also backed off a prediction that the female sailor, Faye Turney, could be freed Wednesday or Thursday, but said Tehran agreed to allow British officials to meet with the detainees.
Mottaki said that if the alleged entry into Iranian waters was a mistake "this can be solved. But they have to show that it was a mistake. That will help us to end this issue." |
Apparently, if Britain owns up to their "mistake", then this will end...
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Republican_Man
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| Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:43 am |
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| Founder wrote: | | Apparently, if Britain owns up to their "mistake", then this will end... |
But of course since there was no mistake made they should neither do it nor have to do it. Saying that they did that would only give more power and cause for Iran to do something in the future.
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Puck
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| Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:27 pm |
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VIENNA, Austria (AP) -- Iran, in a confidential letter posted Friday on an internal Web site of the U.N. nuclear monitor, said its fear of attack from the United States and Israel prompted its decision to withhold information from the agency.
In the letter, Iran said the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency had repeatedly allowed confidential information crucial to the country's security to be leaked.
The IAEA, in response, urged Iran to reconsider, saying the decision would be in defiance of the monitor's 35-nation board. Both the Iranian document and the confidential IAEA response were made available to The Associated Press. |
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/03/30/iran.nuclear.ap/index.html
Good, they should be scared. I know I'm just waiting for an excuse to bomb them.
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Founder
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| Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:36 pm |
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| Puck wrote: | | I know I'm just waiting for an excuse to bomb them. |
I have to say, considering how publicly you display that you're a Catholic, that comment bothers me greatly, especially as a fellow Catholic. Doesn't seem very "Christian"to want to bomb a nation...
Also, unless I'm reading that article incorrectly, it doesn't have anything to do with this topic, other then it involves Iran... 
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Puck
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| Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:42 pm |
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Well I didn't want to make another topic for Iran...because I'm sure we could have plenty if we posted all the stories covering Iran at the moment.
And the comment was meant to political satire of how I'm sure the Bush administration is thinking  . I just know this is what they have been waiting for. That being said though, there is such thing as a just war.
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Founder
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| Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:45 pm |
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| Puck wrote: | Well I didn't want to make another topic for Iran...because I'm sure we could have plenty if we posted all the stories covering Iran at the moment.
And the comment was meant to political satire of how I'm sure the Bush administration is thinking . I just know this is what they have been waiting for. That being said though, there is such thing as a just war. |
Ah ok, makes sense. It seems to add to the trouble Iran is making... 
Heh, yes it definitly does seem like this administration is gunning for Iran.
With this matter and the British captures matter, I honestly have to wonder what Iran is trying to do here. I know they're trying to make a name for themselves, but...is this the way to do it? Making an enemy of the West?
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Puck
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| Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:49 pm |
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I have been trying to figure out what exactly they want to do with this too. It is clear that we easily overpower them, so I don't know why they would go picking a fight with us. Of course, I suppose this could be said about how they have acted in general over the past years. The only thing I can think of is that they want to stir up patriotic support within the region. Either that or someone else in the Iran who hold power wants to halt any diplomatic relations Iran even slightly had with the west.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:52 pm |
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I heard earlier that this was probably done because of internal problems and struggles going on in Iran, perhaps as a show of force from the Iranian government - that's it's more domestic than international.
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Puck
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| Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:56 pm |
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That is what I seem to be coming across alot on other forums too. People seem to think this has more to do with internal politics in the Iranian government.
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Founder
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| Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:26 am |
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| Quote: | An Iranian opposition group claimed Saturday that Iran's capture of 15 British sailors and marines was planned in advance and carried out in retaliation for the U.N. sanctions imposed against the country, as an Iranian diplomat said the case had entered a legal phase.
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Abedini told a London press conference that an Iranian Revolutionary Guard naval garrison had been on alert from the night before the kidnapping, to prepare for the operation.
Mohammad Mohaddessin, who handles foreign affairs for the council, said in a statement that Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, had ordered the detention of the Britons in the hope of pressuring the British government over a threat to toughen U.N. sanctions.
"You can see that the clerical regime had in a premeditated act arrested British sailors in order to win concessions from the international community and divert attention from its nuclear project," Abedini said. "Claims that the sailors were arrested in Iranian territorial waters are baseless." |
Iran dissidents: British capture ordered
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| Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:02 pm |
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Wow, I can't believe not a single person replied to the link I sent. It practically reveals why Iran did what they did...
Captured Britons apologize for illegally trespassing
All of this is so all over the place. First Iran says they trespassed, then England says it's not true, then a group in Iran says that they didn't trespass and Iran is doing this over the sanctions, and now the sailors are saying they did trespass.
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Lord Borg
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| Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:05 pm |
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I didn't pay much attention to this as I should have. I'm confused as to what is now going on. What has actually happened here?
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Omok
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| Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:27 pm |
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| Founder wrote: | | Apparently, if Britain owns up to their "mistake", then this will end... |
Yeah, and in merry ole England, when witches confessed they were killed quickly rather than burned alive at the stake.
Iran will not backdown until it has cornered the Middle East Power/Influence so much that even the Saudis tremble with fear.
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Republican_Man
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| Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:33 pm |
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| Lord Borg wrote: | | I didn't pay much attention to this as I should have. I'm confused as to what is now going on. What has actually happened here? |
The 15 captured British sailors were in Iraqi waters really close to Iranian waters. Iran, wanting to create an international uproar for whatever twisted reason they have, used this opportunity to snatch the sailors. Now they're being held hostage, and Iran is using the situation to their propaganda advantage, getting the sailors to admit to something that simply isn't true, and Britain has proved it isn't true. Besides, don't you think England would admit the mistake at this point if it was true anyway?
The point is, these Brits are being forced to admit to and apologize for something they didn't do, and Iran isn't giving in and is allowing this hostage situation to continue to perpetuate, with purpose.
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