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Puck The Texan
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:06 pm Executive Order Expands Bush's Power |
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Quote: | The White House has quietly amended a key executive order to tighten the president's grip on federal agencies that enforce health, safety and environmental protections. |
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0701/S00337.htm
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
Joined: 26 Mar 2004 Posts: 14823 Location: Classified
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:15 pm |
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Good for the president. This is entirely within his rights, however, as the Chief Executive.
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Puck The Texan
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:36 pm |
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I'm not concerned about this really. I donated to his last campaign, so I think I'll be safe should he decide to become a dictator.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
Joined: 17 Jun 2001 Posts: 27256 Location: United States of America
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:39 pm |
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Puck wrote: | I'm not concerned about this really. I donated to his last campaign, so I think I'll be safe should he decide to become a dictator. |
Hey, me, too!
And he comes from your state, and has a summer home in mine, so we're safe on that end, too! Lucky us,
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:50 pm |
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What's there to be concerned about? He's only reeling in the bureaucracy, which he controls, as head of the Executive Branch. Providing that he acts more like Reagan and works to slash regulations, this should be a good thing.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:58 pm |
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From what I read, we weren't worried. I mean, quietly giving someone more power is def the way to go.
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Valathous The Canadian, eh
Joined: 31 Aug 2002 Posts: 19074 Location: Centre Bell
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:54 am |
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Republican_Man wrote: | What's there to be concerned about? He's only reeling in the bureaucracy, which he controls, as head of the Executive Branch. Providing that he acts more like Reagan and works to slash regulations, this should be a good thing. |
Slash regulations? Um, no. That wouldn't be a good thing.
Canada only started getting snow half way through January, but there's no such thing as global warming...
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WeAz Commodore
Joined: 03 Apr 2004 Posts: 1519 Location: Where you aren't
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:03 am |
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Or Evolution!
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:09 am |
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Valathous wrote: | Republican_Man wrote: | What's there to be concerned about? He's only reeling in the bureaucracy, which he controls, as head of the Executive Branch. Providing that he acts more like Reagan and works to slash regulations, this should be a good thing. |
Slash regulations? Um, no. That wouldn't be a good thing. |
Actually, it would. Very much so. Bureaucratic red tape and regulations are too expansive in this country and have grown since the Reagan administration. We need big cuts in a number of areas. We need to decrease the size of government.
I don't see what relevance global warming or evolution have to this conversation, however, so I won't address them.
Theresa wrote: | From what I read, we weren't worried. I mean, quietly giving someone more power is def the way to go. |
I don't really even see this as much as an expansion of the president's power. Let me reiterate once more, he is the head of the executive branch. The bureaucracy. He's the executive. He runs it. He's only asserting his rightful powers, though I admit that this may be a bit excessive. But I assure you that the Democrats will likely hit back and he'll get more oversight and so forth, which should satisfy those who oppose this assertion of power.
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Valathous The Canadian, eh
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:24 am |
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RM... How does global warming have nothing to do with you wanting the President to slash environmental protections (as is one of the things he just gained power in)?
Slashing environmental protections would lead to more pollution and therefore add to the global warming effect, a simple connection to make, really.
Also included in that were health and safety regulations. So you're in favour of lowering the quality of health and increasing the risk factor to the average person just because it costs more (and the companies still make a profit), effectively adding another thing where we place a price on a life (to the extreme, but still relevant).
So it's all right to view the health and safety of the average person, and the protection of the planet as a detriment to profit, but I'm a horrible person for believing in individual rights such as abortion out of principle, not monetary gain. Makes sense.
Frankly, I'm willing to let the government intervene. In my opinion some revenue is a good trade-off to ensure that at the end of the day, the employee is in the same good health that he started the day with.
At the end of the day, even with the government restrictions, the companies have analyzed the cost-benefits of all the options available to them and do what's cheapest, even if that's paying fines rather than adhering to the regulations. More often than not the government and the companies come to a compromise between costs and regulations, anyways. It's a decent system. Don't slash the restrictions currently in place because most of the time they aren't followed to the T anyways and are worked out to be in the best interests of both sides (more or less, though the company does lose some money, but not enough to change it, IMO).
This may just be for Canada, but I doubt it.
If it still doesn't make sense, then I blame it on being 2am, and having my head full of Plutarch's recounting tales of Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus flooding my head.
And on another note, while I don't like seeing Bush get more powers, RM is right in that Bush is the head of the executive and he does have the authority. I also can see the democrats not being please but there really isn't anything they can do or say since they (Bill Clinton at the time) were the ones that added the clause that allowed Bush to extend his powers (according to the article, anyways).
Quote: | The new powers build on a Clinton-era executive order that authorized OIRA to use cost-benefit analysis and other market-based calculations to evaluate rules and regulations proposed by federal agencies. Under that order, OIRA can compel executive-branch agencies, like the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and the Fish and Wildlife Service, to change proposed public-health, environmental and other regulations according to White House priorities. |
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Arellia The Quiet One
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 4425 Location: Dallas, TX
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Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:59 pm |
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Republican_Man wrote: | What's there to be concerned about? He's only reeling in the bureaucracy, which he controls, as head of the Executive Branch. Providing that he acts more like Reagan and works to slash regulations, this should be a good thing. |
...I don't suppose you'd be as happy with this change if, say, Al Gore were president, would you?
Really... I'm not that happy with it either. Smaller government is fine, but the president is not a scientist, and beyond that hasn't been all-too concerned with the scientific community's advice. Something that really does need to be taken into account.
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