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IntrepidIsMe
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 Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:28 pm FBI: Workers saw prisoner abuse at Guantanamo |
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| CNN wrote: | | WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI on Tuesday released documents showing at least 26 FBI employees witnessed aggressive mistreatment and harsh interrogation techniques of prisoners by other government agencies or outside contractors at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. |
Source (CNN): http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/01/02/guantanamo/index.html
"Club" Guantanamo, here I come, 
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Republican_Man
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| Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:36 pm |
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Time. Notice how the CNN article doesn't share the time of when these agents saw the mistreatment. There were abuses that went on towards the beginning. That has very much been shown to be true. But that was a while back, and Gitmo's been a lot better the last couple years.
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WeAz
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| Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:02 am |
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So what? Gross Injustices were still commited, and the people who commited them should be punished.
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Republican_Man
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| Wed Jan 03, 2007 1:06 am |
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| WeAz wrote: | | So what? Gross Injustices were still commited, and the people who commited them should be punished. |
Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. The problem is that these injustices which were committed early on are always synonymous with what's going on now. I'd like a distinction between the two, for our troops who are doing their job right, there, now.
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webtaz99
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| Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:10 am |
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Where's the injustice? These scumbags took up arms against our troops, and we refrained from killing them. No matter how they were treated since, they were on borrowed time. We could have just killed them.
We are going to have to take the gloves off to fight these radicals. Everybody needs to get used to the idea.
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jose cuervo
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| Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:15 pm |
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prisoners shouldn't be mistreated period. but wait.. the constitution doesn't apply in guantanamo bay. how convenient.
and what of the people who were arrested and are being held without a trial or even hard evidence to incriminate them? i'd say that's injustice webtaz.
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webtaz99
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| Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:09 am |
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Keep it in perspective.
Look what happens to the "infidels" captured by the terrorists.
And as noted above, only US citizens are covered by the Constitution.
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WeAz
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| Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:48 pm |
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If we treat them like they treat us, we sink to their level.
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webtaz99
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| Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:48 am |
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umm, hello?
They take our people and CUT THEIR HEADS OFF.
Having a dog bark at you or pooping your pants doesn't come close.
And, they STARTED IT. Remember 9/11? Was that "justice"?
And, just how are we going to get anything like the truth from these guys if we just ask nicely?
NEVER FORGET. We are willing to live and let live. They want nothing less than the death of every "infidel" and the religious enslavement of everyone else.
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:28 pm |
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What about those who are there mistakenly, as some of them are?
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webtaz99
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| Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:06 pm |
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| Republican_Man wrote: | | What about those who are there mistakenly, as some of them are? |
I don't know. Try asking someone who lost a loved one on 9/11. 
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Republican_Man
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| Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:16 pm |
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| webtaz99 wrote: | | Republican_Man wrote: | | What about those who are there mistakenly, as some of them are? |
I don't know. Try asking someone who lost a loved one on 9/11. |
I'm for aggressive and coercive interrogation, but there's only so far you can go. Torture is unacceptable except in the absolute worst instances. Of course I'm one who hardly thinks waterboarding is torture and finds it acceptable on the worst of terrorists (like Khalid Sheik Muhammad), but you have to level the measures you take. If you've got someone you know for a fact is a terrorist, coercive interrogation techniques are more than appropriate. If the individual is high-up or has critical information, and we know he does, then harsher methods (particularly waterboarding) are appropriate. But you have to be careful how far you go in those instances too. We need to stay a above the terrorists, not sink down to their level.
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