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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:12 pm |
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Starbuck wrote: | don't sound so excited |
But I am.
Al Arabiya, pan-Arab news organization, is now reporting that Saddam Hussein is dead!!!
Both Fox News and CNN have reported this news.
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jose cuervo Ensign, Junior Grade
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:12 pm |
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Republican_Man wrote: | Starbuck wrote: | don't sound so excited |
But I am.
Al Arabiya, pan-Arab news organization, is now reporting that Saddam Hussein is dead!!!
Both Fox News and CNN have reported this news. |
forgive me, but that's a little unsettling. to think that people who supposedly want 'justice' would relish the hanging of anybody is baffling.
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:13 pm |
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jose cuervo wrote: | Republican_Man wrote: | Founder wrote: | Wow, I never thought this moment would come. I had no idea the date was for today, so when I found out I was suprised.
Well, it's good to know that there will be one less dictator on this planet, but in the words Benjamin Sisko "That doesn't mean I have to drink a toast..." over his dead body. He was evil and deserves this, but like Sisko said, I won't celebrate.
Now when Castro dies? That's a different story. |
lol. Well, from your perspective it will be. From mine it'll be the exact same, with a great deal of joy. There really isn't a difference, only perhaps from perspective. Yet either way...
Fox News has just reported that Saddam has just reached the execution site and that the execution is about to begin!!!! |
forgive me, but that's a little unsettling. to think that people who supposedly want 'justice' would relish the hanging of anybody is baffling. |
I may disagree with the method of hanging, but I'm glad the world is now rid of that murderous dictator who killed roughly one and a half million people.
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jose cuervo Ensign, Junior Grade
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:16 pm |
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Republican_Man wrote: | jose cuervo wrote: | Republican_Man wrote: | Founder wrote: | Wow, I never thought this moment would come. I had no idea the date was for today, so when I found out I was suprised.
Well, it's good to know that there will be one less dictator on this planet, but in the words Benjamin Sisko "That doesn't mean I have to drink a toast..." over his dead body. He was evil and deserves this, but like Sisko said, I won't celebrate.
Now when Castro dies? That's a different story. |
lol. Well, from your perspective it will be. From mine it'll be the exact same, with a great deal of joy. There really isn't a difference, only perhaps from perspective. Yet either way...
Fox News has just reported that Saddam has just reached the execution site and that the execution is about to begin!!!! |
forgive me, but that's a little unsettling. to think that people who supposedly want 'justice' would relish the hanging of anybody is baffling. |
I may disagree with the method of hanging, but I'm glad the world is now rid of that murderous dictator who killed roughly one and a half million people. |
but where is the justice for the 300,000+ iraqis who have died since that triumphant day 'mission accomplished' was declared? who will be hanged for that?
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Republican_Man STV's Premier Conservative
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:22 pm |
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jose cuervo wrote: | but where is the justice for the 300,000+ iraqis who have died since that triumphant day 'mission accomplished' was declared? who will be hanged for that? |
Source that it is, in fact, 300,000 please?
And either way, the terrorists will and have paid for their atrocities in Iraq. Zarqawi did. The civilians that died as a result of American actions directly were killed accidentally, however. The Shi'ites and Kurds that were slaughtered by Saddam were done intentionally. Big difference.
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Puck The Texan
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:31 pm |
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Celebrating death will not be allowed. Republican Man, you will no longer post in this thread. jose cuervo, back on topic. Everyone else, you may post, but keep it somewhat tasteful.
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:34 pm |
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Hmm.... he killed all sorts of people right? I dont know about the death penalty usually, but for that many people? I think they made the right choice in this case.
I looked on CNN a lill, but I dont wanna watch the news all night on an execution, so I changed it.
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Theresa Lux Mihi Deus
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:39 pm |
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I'll be honest, this news doesn't really upset me. Yes, he'll now be a martyr, but he would've been such anyway. (Apparently giving oneself fully for a cause qualifies)
I'm just glad he can't continue to spread his poison any longer. I like the excerpt from the letter, btw,
Quote: | Many of you have known the writer of this letter to be faithful, honest, caring for others, wise, of sound judgment, just, decisive, careful with the wealth of the people and the state ... and that his heart is big enough to embrace all without discrimination.
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He can't even be honest at the hour of his death.
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Lord Borg Fleet Admiral
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Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:45 pm |
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Yeah, I saw that part, and didn't read the rest of the letter. He sickens me, and his letter was nothing more then a plea to live. Funny, I wondeer if the people he had executed had a right to make a final letter?
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jose cuervo Ensign, Junior Grade
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:20 am |
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Theresa wrote: | I'll be honest, this news doesn't really upset me. Yes, he'll now be a martyr, but he would've been such anyway. (Apparently giving oneself fully for a cause qualifies)
I'm just glad he can't continue to spread his poison any longer. I like the excerpt from the letter, btw,
Quote: | Many of you have known the writer of this letter to be faithful, honest, caring for others, wise, of sound judgment, just, decisive, careful with the wealth of the people and the state ... and that his heart is big enough to embrace all without discrimination.
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He can't even be honest at the hour of his death. |
i do agree. he was an evil man. in no way was i defending saddam before; however, lethal injection would have been a more humane medium for his execution. at least most of the world (except for the muslim extremist demographic) will not consider him a martyr, but a murderer.
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WeAz Commodore
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:41 am |
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Republican_Man wrote: | jose cuervo wrote: | but where is the justice for the 300,000+ iraqis who have died since that triumphant day 'mission accomplished' was declared? who will be hanged for that? |
Source that it is, in fact, 300,000 please?
| I heard the latest number at 600,000. Both Iraq, and Afghanistan.
But anyway, I wonder what the Insurgents are going to do now...
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Kyle Reese Cadet Gunnery Sergeant
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:57 am |
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Look, I simply don't understand all of these massive death tolls. Here's something fairly recent.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/22/iraq.report/index.html
Now, if you multiply that "bloodiest month" by all 45 months of the Iraq war (it is 45 right? I could be wrong.) Then the total number of dead Iraqi civilians would be 166,905. Now, most months of the war haven't been nearly as bloody as October by far, and I do realize that a lot of deaths do go unreported, but I don't believe those �ber massive death tolls for a second.
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PrankishSmart Rear Admiral
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:36 am |
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166,905, 300,000 or 600,000 dead, any of those figures are significant. 1,000 is significant. A single life is significant.
Good news that SH was given a fair trial and the justice has been correctly served and people can breathe a sigh of relief. Even though I don't personally agree with the death penalty in the least, it was a trial done to iraq law and their descision for the hanging.
But I don't think this will change the current level of violence in Iraq. Not one bit. There is only one thing that might, but too many people here refuse to believe it. There is nothing new in Iraq happening now that would help or improve the situation there.
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Kyle Reese Cadet Gunnery Sergeant
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:03 pm |
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PrankishSmart wrote: | 166,905, 300,000 or 600,000 dead, any of those figures are significant. 1,000 is significant. A single life is significant. |
I was expecting a reply like that. All I'm trying to do is show how crazy those kinds of death tolls are.
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Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:57 pm |
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I believe in letting the punishment fit the crime, he was tried fairly, found guilty and punished.
Execution was the only option. keeping him locked up ran the risk of a possible escape and he was waaaaaaaaaaay passed rehabilitation being able to help him.
The old saying "an Eye for an Eye and a tooth for a tooth" seems fitting he killed so many so why are people complaining now that saddams had his comuppence. It should be a lesson for any other who thinks that mass murder is the way to go.
Sure enough he'll be seen as a martyr to some but isnt that the same with most excecutions?
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TrekkieMage Office Junkie
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Sun Dec 31, 2006 12:15 am |
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I for one, am not celebrating his death. It also happened to fall on a very important Muslim holiday, which was, in my opinion, stupid. I doubt much could have prevented his hanging, but I still am concerned about what the fallout will be.
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Ziona Fleet Admiral
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Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:36 am |
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I agree that the man had to be killed. But I don't celebrate in the fact that he had to die. I mean, I'm one of those people who doesn't like to think about violence and killing people as much as possible. So, in my opinion, I think his being hanged was justified but I don't like the fact that it had to come to it.
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Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:13 am |
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I think it's good that he has died, but still I don't support the death penalty. I know that when he got a life sentence, his followers would maybe try to break him out, or have the hope that he would one day rule Iraq. And now there's no chance of that, so I think that's a good thing.
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Otter Fleet Admiral
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Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:22 am |
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he'd no right 2 live after the people he had killed!
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Defiant Fleet Admiral
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Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:08 pm |
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I just saw the video of his hanging. Yowza. They should not have let that leak to the Internet, but of course they would have to, so that more people would support their actions and whatnot.
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Starbuck faster...
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Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:26 pm |
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I think its disgusting that some day some sick person is going to use the video of his hanging and his execution and his death as entertainment. In a few months they'll make a movie about it.
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WeAz Commodore
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Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:54 am |
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The videos already out. That was fast.
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Was this worth the 3,000+ American lives?
I don't think so.
Saddam had no connection to 9/11, no WMDs... why are we there?
It dosen't make any sense.
I think it's funny how the "patriots" of the country, the Republicans are the first group of people to encourge war which will ultimatley lead to the death of our military men and women. But yet they are "patriots".
I also like how once they know there was no 9/11 connection and no WMD connection they constantly cite "they were oppressed, murdered and killed! We had to do something!" but in the same breath they'll say "we should just nuke 'em".
Although Saddam was a terrible and evil person and he did deserve this... and fully support his execution... But, I don't think it was worth the 3,000 American lives, the lies fed to the American people, the economic ramifications of the war and all other "side-effects".
There is an estimated 300,000+ death toll in Iraq. No I didn't add the extra 0 on accident. President Bush is lying agian and on top of that did not cite any sources when he said the 30,000 number.
1/4 of Iraq's prison population is imprisioned unjustly and many report abusive tactics and barbaric behavior from our troops...
Level of civil war is there.
Man, the thing is a mess. Whats is going on people...
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Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:05 am |
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Oh good Lord....
WeAz wrote: | The videos already out. That was fast.
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Was this worth the 3,000+ American lives?
Nope, not in my opinion.
I don't think so.
That's great, the American people can sleep at night now.
Saddam had no connection to 9/11, no WMDs... why are we there?
The WMDs thing hasnt' really been proven. The idea that these people searched every square inch of the nation is...weird.
It dosen't make any sense.
Yes it does. You simply have a problem of over simplifying things.
I think it's funny how the "patriots" of the country, the Republicans are the first group of people to encourge war which will ultimatley lead to the death of our military men and women. But yet they are "patriots".
As opposed to what? Defending terrorists when they kill our own citizens? Are you trying to claim that your side is the supposed "patriot"?
I also like how once they know there was no 9/11 connection and no WMD connection they constantly cite "they were oppressed, murdered and killed! We had to do something!" but in the same breath they'll say "we should just nuke 'em".
Really? You have proof that every Republican says that? I don't. Thus, you were just debunked.
Although Saddam was a terrible and evil person and he did deserve this... and fully support his execution... But, I don't think it was worth the 3,000 American lives, the lies fed to the American people, the economic ramifications of the war and all other "side-effects".
What lies? Prove they were lies.
There is an estimated 300,000+ death toll in Iraq. No I didn't add the extra 0 on accident. President Bush is lying agian and on top of that did not cite any sources when he said the 30,000 number.
Maybe...you're lying? Until you cite a source, no one will believe your numbers.
1/4 of Iraq's prison population is imprisioned unjustly and many report abusive tactics and barbaric behavior from our troops...
Prove all of that.
Level of civil war is there.
This is a shame, indeed.
Man, the thing is a mess. Whats is going on people... |
What's going on is you're grossly over simplifying everything.
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Puck The Texan
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Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:27 am |
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This thread is about Saddam's execution. Not about how many Americans have died in Iraq. Nor is it about WMDs. Nor is it about the general Republican consensus on war. Neither is this thread a guessing game for how many Iraqis have died in the past few years. Also, it is not to discuss whether or not Iraq is in civil war.
If you can't stay on topic, then simply do not post.
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Scapegoat Bob Commodore
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Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:50 am |
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well sumone is grumpy
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